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The TRUTH for dummies. Chapter 1
by beaker 43 Replies latest watchtower bible
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lurk
A true Christian celebrates the resurrection
will isnt that what ppl accuse the WTS of doing? excluding ppl who cant be true christians if they dont belive in the same way?
A catholics answer to JW's
is that a good idea..?.if it looks like a catholic attempt's to convert you or wreck your faith (which is how it will be seen) the brocuhre will go straight in the bin and be another example of satans influence.
is the brochure about converting ppl to the catholic way of thinking or is it about revealing the history of the org to those who dont relize whats been going on .?
if its a simple list of facts with no religious bias then it might be read with an open mind(as open as you can get in the org)
most ppl here are x jw's also X publishers and X studies.
no one is superior now we've left , just becuase we had our eyes opened .there are alot of decent ppl struggling to keep faith and do their best. would the following show you this person is trying to help you or attack you? honestly? i know that i would have thrown any leaflet like this in the bin, how ever i did listened to a balanced unbias comments from other brothers an sisters who had niggling doubts and questions . the comments below have no back up they just read like a list of insults.but then if thats all the intension is.......that it will work wonders. the writer doesnt seem to relize that JWs face this kind of stuff all the time..insults are 2 a penny an seen as proof that satan is attacking jehovah.
1) They all think and act alike. To know one is to know them all.
2) The 'Good News' they preach is not the Bible, but Armageddon.
3) They come to your door for only one reason, to tear you away from your religion.
4) They have made so many false promises and so often predicted 'the end', they are not worthy of your trust.
5) All of their beliefs about everything are totally controlled by publications from the WTS.
6) Their publications are filled with harsh and severe words of condemnation as they teach and preach that everything and everyone in life - schools, government, workplaces, churches, religion, music and entertainment, all in life, is under a 'wicked system of things' controlled by Satan.
7) Their idea of 'brotherly love' seems to be little more than a contest of who can 'sell' the most magazines, books, etc.
8) They blindly ignore real human needs as if they did not exist.
9) You will find no mention of charity or true brotherly love, but over and over you will hear and read about how evil and wicked everyone is and how everyone except for this tiny group of Jehovah's Witnesses will be violently destroyed by Jehovah at Armagedon. Soon, very soon, just around the corner.
10) There are basically 3 types of people that fall for them:
a) Those that are lonely and depressed and feel that no one cares. They will welcome the company.
b) Those that are lukewarm about God and religion and already find things wrong in the church will be easy to convince and persuade, especially if something in their lives is particularly at odds with their religion (like divorce used to be for many.)
c) Those that have a 'cross to bear' in their lives, like poverty, a marriage without love, or a life filled with arguments and problems. They will find the idea of Armageddon and the destuction of everyone - and paradise just around the corner - to be very appealing.
11) Finally (for now), D'Angelo finds the Jehovah's Witnesses to be the 'most self-centered religion imagineable'.if this is such an improvement and should enlighten JW's why doesnt it have a deapth of human understanding in attempting to help them? it read more like a Catholisisum v JW's to me .
insulting ppl very rarely does anything but make the insulter feel moraly superior ,it can win arguments but it never wins hearts.
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heathen
I don't think you will have any success using the catholic church in arguing with a dub . The catholic church has a long history of hypocrisy . If you are going to compare false predictions of the end of the world against what the catholic church has done in it's 1000 + years of existence I think we are looking at some petty stuff in comparison to killing people just for wanting their own personal bible . If it wasn't for people who hated the catholic church and defied church doctrine then we wouldn't be able to research this stuff at all. The cross vrs. stake debate is one that requires the knowlege of ancient lanquages that show that words can and do change their meaning over a period of time . It is clear to me that the jews wanted jesus death to be in conjunction with the mosaic law and that the roman prefect pontius pilate did not see any cause for putting jesus to death . The hebrew law did not suggest the use of a cross .
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XQsThaiPoes
The watchtower is written over the head of most of its members when it talks about salvation requirements, or controversial doctrine.
Every activity is optional except attending the Eucharist, and preaching for the anointed. The farming moment will make you feel guilty regardless.
The great crowd has to do nothing for salvation because they are not saved, and are not Christians.
Everyone who dies now will be resurrected friend or foe.
JWs don't understand their own doctrine if you start to understand what they teach and don't temper your words you may be considered radical.
JWs never listen to the watchtower, but to their barely bible trained conscience which often is filled flawed logic, irrationality, superstition, and oral law that is not from the watchtower.
The watchtower does nothing for JWs directly and controls by peer pusher and sentimentality.
The watchtower is a born again Christian organization that uses the masses of unsaved to do the work the born again members are supposed to do by them selves. The publications are written directly to the other born again members, but stilted to make the others feel like they have a share and obligation in it too.
The watchtower is written in lawyer speak by lawyers. Many decrees mean one thing but sound like another.
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heathen
XQ--- You say the WTBTS does nothing for the members but I do know for a fact that they take up collections in order to support their world preaching activities . I think in north america you are pretty much on your own when it comes to supporting the preaching work . They are known to send food and supplies to various congregations in impoverished conditions . I never heard the great crowd being described as unsaved , they do teach that obedience to the org. is enough to be saved .
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AnnOMaly
I read a very good book a few weeks ago called "The Liberation of the Worldwide Church of God - The Remarkable Story of a Cult's Journey from Deception to Truth" by J.M. Feazell - very enlightening and helpful.
When discussing how to present truth to others, the author says:
"I sometimes found myself tempted to vent my anger with people who had not come as far down that path as God had brought me. To have done so would have succeeded only in driving them further away from the light into which God was bringing me and deeper into the darkness I was attacking. God desires that we be ministers of his grace, not ministers of our own pain and anger, to those still under the spell. Their assumptions must be challenged, yes, but Jesus in us comes to others in love, not in anger, impatience, or pride. ...
... Richard Foster cites four ways we tend to rush ahead when attempting to bring truth to others:
1. Ignoring the rituals of acquaintanceship.
2. Trying to get people interested in our message before they know we are interested in their lives.
3. Trying to bring them to a decision before they are ready for a decision.
4. Trying to bring people into a teaching before they can receive the teaching."
Whatever pamphlet is put together and distributed, or whoever we decide to 'enlighten,' I think keeping in mind the principles above will make for better success. And whatever the reaction, positive or negative, the individual is ultimately in God's hands.
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truthseeker1
I don't have the link anymore regarding tho whole issue I had with the cross/stake topic. But I'll give a summary.
WT says he died on a stake because original word, meant single upright pole. They give a quote from some historian saying they used upright poles to torture people. The thing that pissed me off about it is they neglected to put the entire quote up. They totally left out the sentence about romans converting to a cross by the time of Jesus. Its an obvious misquote to further their beliefs, and to give "evidence" for it.
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Double Edge
I read this on the board several months ago: (I just sent it to you in a P.M.)
Cross or Stake?
According to the 1975 Yearbook the doctrine did not result from careful biblical analysis, but rather from Judge Rutherford's dislike of the cross symbol. Originally, the Bible Students under Charles T. Russell accepted the cross as a valid Christian emblem. In fact, Russell incorporated it in his symbol of the Millennial Kingdom ? a cross placed inside a crown. This "cross and crown" symbol appeared on Watchtower covers since 1891, and was represented on a plaque hanging in Russell's personal study.1 The Bible Students even wore a pin of this shape. Carey W. Barber, now a member of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, described it: "It was a badge really, with a wreath of laurel leaves as the border and within the wreath was a crown with a cross running through it on an angle. It looked quite attractive and was our idea of what it meant to take up our ?cross? and follow Christ Jesus in order to be able to wear the crown of victory in due time."2
Rutherford however did not think it was so "attractive." He perceived the cross as nothing more than a pagan symbol, as a long-time Witness recalled: "This to Brother Rutherford's mind was Babylonish and should be discontinued. He told us that when we went to the people's homes and began to talk, that was the witness in itself."3
It took Rutherford eight years to purge the Bible Students of the cross. His first move against it occurred in 1928, when he instructed his followers at a Detroit convention to discard the "objectionable" and "unnecessary" jewelry.4 Then in 1931 the emblem was removed from the Watchtower covers. At that point the cross symbol became non-biblical, non-Christian, and ungodly ? and was relegated to the forbidden trappings of Satan's organization. The Witnesses however still believed that Jesus was executed on a traditional cross. This contradiction no doubt vexed Rutherford, and he saw the need to revise his assumptions about the Passion. Therefore, without much fanfare, he presented his new view in the book Riches. On page 27, he wrote: "Jesus was crucified, not on a cross of wood, such as exhibited in many images and pictures, and which images are made and exhibited by men; Jesus was crucified by nailing his body to a tree."5 It seems that Rutherford saw nothing wrong (as does the Society today) with using the word "crucify" to denote impalement.
Therefore, according to the Society's own account, scholarship really had no-thing to do with its adoption of the "torture stake" doctrine.
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XQsThaiPoes
The watchtower does nothing for JWs directly and controls by peer pusher and sentimentality.
They are known to send food and supplies to various congregations in impoverished conditions.
True that was covered by sentiment. There is no JW red cross I know of that sole purpose is to help those in need. I was refering to the brother hood syndrome JW have. It is only based on sentiment. "What would 'the brothers think" is a classic catch phrase.
I refer to the Great Crowd as unsaved because they have no requirments for salvation. Also it says in acts 24 that the wicked and righteous will be ressurected. Revalations 7:9 say the great crowd is all people. The watchtower removed the sheep and goat thing in 1995 so everyone that dies now is being reussected in the new order and judged later. The recent study article said the GC was not satans target of attack in the GT but the anionted is. Tell me where the salvation is if the only thing God will kill you for is attacking his vessels of holy spirit born agains or the anointed in JW speak. Remem the only unforgivable sin is against the holy spirit. So in context this makes sense in a very weird way.
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heathen
XQ --- The WTBTS teaches that the great crowd will not be destroyed during the end of the world so the bennefit for them is everlasting life where as the 144k are depicted in revelations as having been murdered prior to the end . I don't know that the WTBTS has the funding to organize something like the red cross which is not religious in it's efforts .