...have they justified the UN involvement to you by saying that the WTS was only getting information for their magazines, that they weren't "aiding" them in their political work, so the involvement was OK?
IMO, there is no justification for the UN invovement. How do you reason with your family when they defend the actions of the WTS? It seems to me they can justify anything. Really all they would have to do is say "no we were never an NGO" and the RF would believe them.
How can you justify joining an organization, in which the watchtower has called, Satan the Devil, Babylon the Great, and have said repeatedly that the United Nations will start Armageddon.
I asked my elder brother (who pretended he never heard of it), I said "do you join the Nazi party because you want a free haircut, do you join a political party because they are having a free dinner, do you join the YMCA because you just want to use the gym ?"
When you join any group or organization, you beleive in what they stand for, stand behind their beliefs, and support them in every way, Not join a group just to "use" them for what you need.
He had no response !
It is so frustrating to show them the letter and have them say "well, you got that off the internet, one of Satan's tools what do you expect." and "Oh, Ray Frantz is like Satan, he wanted people to follow him, why do you think he wrote that book, the bible warns about people like him." and (my personal favorite) "God has always used man and the light just keeps getting brighter". as an excuse for all the mistakes (false prophesies). grrrr... Kib
They will always use the internat as a defence now, so why does the Watchtower have a web-site,
Why do they believe everything said about other religions on the news or internet, but not their own. All the Catholic abuse cases they believe and use them to put down the church, but don't believe the ones that happened at the Kingdom Hall.
Its almost a no win situation.
So, when i went on the offensive with my family, I started asking questions about their beliefs, and quoting endless magazines and books, of course the answer will be , "but we recieved new light on this matter", so I said when does the "new light" end, if these are truely the last days, shouldn't we know it all by now, why does god keep secrets.
Tell, me what believes and doctrines NEVER received "new light", i thought god's laws never change, the bible is 1900 years old, never changes, how come the watchtower beliefs ALWAYS change.
How many beliefs do you still believe in by Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and Freddie Franz, if the beliefs of 50, 75, or 100 years ago are no longer valid or important, then how can you prove that the information we are recieving today will still be valid a 100 years from now.
So tell me, if people like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Job and Daniel, who all walked with God and served him faithfully to their death, are all waiting to be ressurected for a life on earth, why are people like Russell, Rutherford, Knorr , Franz, Heinschel who were leaders of the Watchtower, who were of the ANNOITED class, and got it all wrong and misunderstood the scriptures (thus new light), how can you say they are in heaven ruling with Jesus as part of the 144,000.
there are less and less annoited class left, a lot less then 25 years ago, or 50 years ago, so you want me to believe that today's annoited class of 7,000 or so, majority in their 80's know better then the 20,000 alive 50 years ago who were at a younger age and more knowledgable and are ALL in heaven ruling with Christ RIGHT NOW !!!!!!!!!!!
these are the things I said, they had no answers, in fact now, they prefer not to talk to me, amazing what going on the offensive can do.
I also mentioned, barring a major change in doctrine, it should all end in the next 20-30 years, all the annoited class will be gone (except for replacements), all the governing body will be dead (governing body have to be of the annoited), the president of the Watchtower now is NOT of the annoited class, so how can we expect him to get it right or give new light when the previous presidents WERE of the annoited class and couldn't get it right.
The more i read the history of the Watchtower , the more mistakes I find, how do the 6,000,000 not see it.
another great site is www.quotes.jehovahswitness.com
i think that right
good luck, don't expect any changes in their thinking
but one thing i realized that i never thought, I mean NEVER thought, in my life time, was that i would find out that the Watchtower is one big lie, done by about 5-10 people over the period of a 100 years. I have absolutely NO DOUBT at all that the Watchtower is a lie and misleads many, i would challenge any JW , annoited class member or governing body memeber to take me on, and promise I would win. They don't even know what they believe in or what they support.
I have always said , read the history, and i mean ALL of it, every publication made from 1879-1994, and you will find nothing but a bunch of mistakes and lies, so before you try to question me, MAKE sure you have read every publication and understand them and can stand up for each publication.
If we were too make two piles of publications, one pile of publications that had to receive new light, be revised or be updated, and one pile of publications that NEVER needed to be changed, how big would the piles be ??? Remember gods laws never change, why do the Watchtower's.
Good Luck
and welcome here
