by gumby 37 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Years ago, drugs were classified as "Pharmakia"(greek for druggery).
The Watchwer did a good job in convincing others that since the pagans used drugs in their spiritistic practices......then drugs were bad......marijuana included......... they invited demons
Recently I heard comments from dubs that medical use of marijuana would be permissable since it wouldn't be breaking the law.
The question is......Why the change in classification if this is indeed true?
Gumby
Gumby, ya bastard, why ask questions ya know the answers too? It's 'cuz they arbitrarily cahnge their rules to suit their purposes. Duh.
I think it should be required. If the WTS is going to mess with people's minds this way they really ought to be able to enjoy it !! It might make for some interesting kingdom melodies too !!
'cuz they arbitrarily cahnge their rules to suit their purposes
Are you suggesting the GB likes to twist up a fattie?
It's funny, Gumby.
When my aunt was dying with cancer several years ago, I offered to help her with the nausea caused by chemo by looking into some medical *wink* marijuana. She, as a JW, would not use it as it was AGAINST THE LAW. It was not for doctrinal reasons so much as the law-breaking thing.
They would have to backtrack on this because the clinical evidence shows that marijuana affects your state of consciousness much less than many prescription narcotics, which they already approve of using. Had this discussion many times with my parents. Now that it is legally available (well kind of, you pretty much have to be on your deathbed to get approval to use it), there is no longer any legal basis for the WTBTS to forbid it for medical purposes.
One of the other reasons they had for the evils of maryjane was because it 'defiles your body' like tobacco, because you smoke it (tar in the lungs, etc). Well, that reason is invalid because you can eat it, and you can also use a vaporizer, so what excuse could they base their prohibition on?
I would be interested to hear what the WTBTS reasoning is in the Netherlands, where it is legal. Can JWs in Netherlands drink alcohol, but can't eat a hash cookie? Why is it okay to have a 'couple of drinks', but not just one hit of MJ?
hmmmm,
Of course a lot of non-JWs who are uneducated about the weed get wasted on alcohol often, and still hypocritically criticize weed smokers. I've known quite a few weekend drinkers over the years who look down on the dope-smokers. Like alcohol is better for you? HELLO !!!
So on this one, the WTBTS is no exception, at least not here in North America. IMO, all the drinkers who support the anti-marijuana laws are just as hypocritical as the WTBTS.
talesin
Are you suggesting the GB likes to twist up a fattie?
Yeah, right, those guys are so uptight, I could start a diamond business with some coal and GB rectum.
Now that it is legally available (well kind of, you pretty much have to be on your deathbed to get approval to use it), there is no longer any legal basis for the WTBTS to forbid it for medical purposes.
Two things,
Getting a medical card for marijuana is easy. Really! At least it is in sunny californy and others. I thought it was legal in Canada to cultivate for personal use?
There is no legal basis for the society to reject marijuana is true. They also come in capsule form called cannibinol for those who fear lung problems.....so the society nor anyone else can argue it damages your lungs...if used in that manner
The real point I was making was that it was considered "spiritism" to use a drug such as marijuana. This argument is never used by dubs anymore when the issue of medicinal usage is discussed with them.
Did the society lighten up on their articles which discussed Pharmakia and the use of drugs?.......I've gotten a bit rusty.
Gumby
Welll, Gummers:
Looka here. They always would let you use morphene, demerol, delaudid and codiene and such. Even intraveinously. Add to that ritalin, other stimulents and tranquilizers: valium and the like. You could use them if they were medically necessary and prescribed by your doc or dentist. I guess good old Jehovah was going to step in and stop those nasty ole demons from possessing your lil green self because of the old Rx form. The magic Rx form.
But using the above drugs for fun was not cool, ya dig? If you did it for fun or to expand your mind then the deemies could get you. Jah would not be protecting you from them. Same for smoking pot. You would be smoking it for fun they figured; so pot was bad and smoking was defiling your temple besides.
Now medical marijuana, or marinol in pill form, for cancer with an Rx would be cool.It's not sinful to use it if it is prescribed. You remember? The magic Rx form.
Flyin'
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Gumby,
I see your point, and my surprise is that there has been no mention of 'demonism' from my parents or my aunt. I mean, yes 30 years ago, my parents felt differently. But in the last 10 years or so, they have given that up - I don't know if the Society has changed its tune, but you don't get much more JW than my parents, so I would think that maybe they have lightened up on the demonz and maryjane. I will ask them about it next time we talk, just to see what latest JW info. they are aware of (at least in their KH).
And yes, it is VERY difficult to get permission in Canada. You are allowed to possess up to 15 grams for personal use and it is only a misdemeanour ($175 fine), but it is still illegal. So several plants could, in theory, put you over the allowed 15 grams.
In order to get a medical certificate, you must have documents signed by two medical specialists, and it takes at least a year to get it approved once you do the paperwork!!! They have eased up the criminal laws a bit, but medical weed is still virtually impossible to get. I have been researching this for a couple months, actually, cause my doctor feels it helps my fibromyalgia, but he said we would have a heck of a time getting government approval.
We have a HUGE court case here in Nova Scotia right now where a guy who has permission has been jailed for growing his own and supplying to other medicinally-approved users. In BC, it is a bit more relaxed, but things are moving slowly, v-e-r-y slowly.
tal
