The moon as a possible energy source?

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  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    I saw this article and what I found intriguing was the brief mention of moon-based helium 3 as a source for energy. Is this different from helium found on the earth? Has anyone heard or read a discussion on this?

    What is so intriguing to me is that the article mentions one shuttle could hold 30 tons of helium 3, enough to supply current U.S. power needs for 1 year. There are estimates that the moon holds 1 million tons of helium 3, and evidently there are no polluting side effects.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27477-2004Jan18.html


    Reuters
    Sunday, January 18, 2004; 2:27 PM

    By Jim Wolf

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush's plan to expand the exploration of space parallels U.S. efforts to control the heavens for military, economic and strategic gain.

    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld long has pushed for technology that could be used to attack or defend orbiting satellites as well as a costly program, heavily reliant on space-based sensors, to thwart incoming warheads.

    Under a 1996 space policy adopted by then-President Bill Clinton that remains in effect, the United States is committed to the exploration and use of outer space "by all nations for peaceful purposes for the benefit of all humanity."

    "Peaceful purposes allow defense and intelligence-related activities in pursuit of national security and other goals," according to this policy. "Consistent with treaty obligations, the United States will develop, operate and maintain space control capabilities to ensure freedom of action in space, and if directed, deny such freedom of action to adversaries."

    No country depends on space and satellites as its eyes and ears more than the United States, which accounted for as much as 95 percent of global military space spending in 1999, according to the French space agency CNES.

    "Yet the threat to the U.S. and its allies in and from space does not command the attention it merits from the departments and agencies of the U.S. government charged with national security responsibilities," a congressionally chartered task force headed by Rumsfeld reported 10 days before Bush and he took office in 2001.

    Theresa Hitchens of the private Center for Defense Information said the capabilities to conduct space warfare would move out of the realm of science fiction and into reality over the next 20 years or so.

    "At the end of the day it will be political choices by governments, not technology, that determines if the nearly 50- year taboo against arming the heavens remains in place," she concluded in a recent study.

    Outlining his election-year vision for space exploration last week, Bush called for a permanent base on the moon by 2020 as a launch pad for piloted missions to Mars and beyond.

    One unspoken motivation may have been China's milestone launch in October of its first piloted spaceflight in earth orbit and its announced plan to go to the moon.

    "I think the new initiative is driven by a desire to beat the Chinese to the moon," said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a defense and space policy research group.

    Among companies that could cash in on Bush's space plans are Lockheed Martin Corp., Boeing Co. and Northrop Grumman Corp., which do big business with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration as well as with the Pentagon.

    The moon, scientists have said, is a source of potentially unlimited energy in the form of the helium 3 isotope -- a near perfect fuel source: potent, nonpolluting and causing virtually no radioactive byproduct in a fusion reactor.

    "And if we could get a monopoly on that, we wouldn't have to worry about the Saudis and we could basically tell everybody what the price of energy was going to be," said Pike.

    Gerald Kulcinski of the Fusion Technology Institute at the University of Wisconsin at Madison estimated the moon's helium 3 would have a cash value of perhaps $4 billion a ton in terms of its energy equivalent in oil.

    Scientists reckon there are about 1 million tons of helium 3 on the moon, enough to power the earth for thousands of years. The equivalent of a single space shuttle load or roughly 30 tons could meet all U.S. electric power needs for a year, Kulcinski said by e-mail.

    Bush's schedule for a U.S. return to the moon matches what experts say may be a dramatic militarization of space over the next two decades, even if the current ban on weapons holds.

    Among other things, the Pentagon expects to spend at least $50 billion over the next five years to develop and field a multi-layered shield against incoming missiles that could deliver nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

    Ultimately, this shield -- first proposed by President Ronald Reagan and dubbed "Star Wars" by critics -- may include space-based interceptors, the first weapons in space, as opposed to sensors that guide weapons.

    Last year, the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency obtained $14 million for research on basing three or more missile interceptors in space by the end of the decade for tests.

    The plan would field satellites armed with multiple "hit-to-kill" interceptors capable of destroying a ballistic missile through a high-speed collision shortly after its launch, according to Wade Boese, research director of the private Arms Control Association. Such a system could also function as an anti-satellite weapon.

    No decision has been made yet to deploy space-based interceptors as part of the U.S. missile defense program "although we are conducting research and development activities in that area," a Defense

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    These are critical times, easy to deal with. I work for an aerospace company. I love it. :-)

    I don't know anything much about He-3's benefits in a fusion reactor, but it certainly has scientists excited. As I understand it the Helium-3 isotope has never been found on earth in any useful quality. It may have been created in particle accelerator tests. I'm not sure. No one has ever achieved controlled nuclear fusion and they've been trying now for decades, so for now the benefits of He-3 remain theoretical. I would imagine that if it DID turn out to be viable, that a lot of companies and the ChiComs would be very interested in lunar prospecting. Sort of a Moon Gold rush.

    As it is, the Chinese are also planning to go to the moon, at least using robots, in about 6 years or so. They don't yet have a booster large enough to get their manned Shenzou spacecraft into a trans-lunar injection a la Apollo, though I suppose they could use several boosters to put fuel for a Shenzou type craft already in orbit to get their the long way. Either way, that's a lot of money for a developing nation to shell out.

    I'm interested to see what form the US Lunar program takes. The biggest rocket the US has is the Delta IV-Heavy and it's nowhere near as large as the old Saturns were, so they are going to have to reinvent the Saturn V, build an even bigger Delta-IV, or do something entirely different. Delta-IV is a little more scalable then the Lockmart Atlas.

    He-3 or not, it will be interesting to see if the next president and congress have the guts to actually go through with this.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    One problem I always heard about fusion reactors was the heat involved. I've read that they could construct fusion reactors now but that would mimic the sun's 10 million degrees and that would vaporize the reactor (along with a lot of other things). I haven't heard anything about it in some time, so I have no idea where they're at now.

    Is helium 3 in a gaseous state or solid?

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    In contrast, helium 3 fusion would produce little residual radioactivity. Helium 3, an isotope of the familiar helium used to inflate balloons and blimps, has a nucleus with two protons and one neutron. A nuclear reactor based on the fusion of helium 3 and deuterium, which has a single nuclear proton and neutron, would produce very few neutrons -- about 1 percent of the number generated by the deuterium-tritium reaction. "You could safely build a helium 3 plant in the middle of a big city," Kulcinski said.

    http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_000630.html

    All of this has to do with fusion. Helium 3 is lighter than regular helium, and releases 1 percent of the neutron radiation as hydrogen during fusion. This is why it is so attractive.

    The problem is that this is all a moot point if we can't get fusion to work.

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    Depends on pressure and temperature. On the moon though, it's trapped in the the lunar regolith, specifically in certain minerals. The lunar soil would be processed and then cryogenically distilled to render He-3. Humans wouldn't even have to be present.

    Is helium 3 in a gaseous state or solid?
  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41

    When I first heard that Bush was pushing to have a station set up there and had his eyes on Mars too, it just made me sick! It's not bad enough that man has raped and plundered and poisoned Earth, now they want to start in on the other planets! How many millions of years the moon has stared down from space, a beautiful, bright orb at night, the subject of poetry and children's nursery rhymes and to think we may soon stare up at it and see gaping holes or whatever from greedy men just makes me sick to my stomach.

    Terri

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    The problem is that this is all a moot point if we can't get fusion to work.

    Details Details.

    Of course if they could get this to work, we would have a virtually unlimited source of energy. Not only that, but we would no longer be reliant on fossil fuels, so pollution would decrease, but the green house effect may begin to be reversed.

    I don't know much about this process and helium 3, but I think I'm going to read up on it so I can sound just a little more intelligent.

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha
    It's not bad enough that man has raped and plundered and poisoned Earth, now they want to start in on the other planets!

    I'm going to come off as a butthole, but I don't back away from mindless luddism. Mindless luddism has to be isolated, exposed, and shown for what it is.

    Yet, perhaps I am wrong. Perhapst you wear clothing made only from wild growing plants and live a hunter-gather lifestyle somewher in the rainforest, eating what you find on trees, screaming in fear that the gods might be angry when ever it thunders, and sleeping in whatever cave or under a tree as long as no other big animals are around.

    Certainly you wouldnt use anything like a computer, which contains components made form hard-minerals mined out of.. gasp.. big gaping holes in the ground! And certainly you don't keep the power in your computer on by working in a job which requires you travel to and from it in a vehicle which gets its power from.. gasp.. chemicals dug up from gaping holes in the ground! And dear lord I hope you don't eat food grown with the aid of ferilizers which come from chemicals which .. well one way or another, come out of the ground. Haven't you raped and plundered the Earth enough, lately?

    The kind of mining they are talking about on the moon is basically scraping dust off the top of the moon. You wouldn't notice it, though you might complain about the dirty rockets taking off once in awhile to bring back a clean source of energy. No one on the moon will complain, either. Nothing lives there, you see. There's no winning when it comes to tree-huggers.

    Space is the one place where we can get a literally limitless amount of natural resources without depleting our own resources and perhaps just as importantly, fighting between nation-states over limited amounts thereof. Once you get into low earth orbit, you are halfway to anywhere. Hopefully the luddites can remain on earth complaining about all the robots they can't see raping the moon and asteroids.

    -A Would be Moon-raper

  • Thunder Rider
    Thunder Rider

    I have a sneaking suspicion that the technology for sucessful nuclear fusion. I think all the crap going on in the middle east is making it tempting for the powers that be to play the cards.
    Cheap abundant non poluting energy. Sounds like a winner to me.

    Thunder ==}>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

  • Xander
    Xander
    When I first heard that Bush was pushing to have a station set up there and had his eyes on Mars too, it just made me sick! It's not bad enough that man has raped and plundered and poisoned Earth, now they want to start in on the other planets!

    You want humans to be extict?

    You do realize that, someday, the Earth WILL be destroyed by a natural disaster? Granted, the soonest one we KNOW of (Sol going nova) won't be for another 5 bil years or so...but it's a sure thing. And I don't think the resulting red giant it becomes (with a surface expanded out to about....oh....Earth's orbit) will be very friendly for whatever life survives the nova itself (that would be 'none').

    That's not counting meteor strikes (seen the surface of the moon lately?), nearby critical stellar phenomena (supernova, etc), environmental changes do to orbit drift, etc....

    Earth WILL be completely inhospitable to any life 'soon enough' on the cosmic scale, and, while I am completely behind preserving it as much as is possible for now, I would never do so at the expense of a space program. We NEED to get off the planet, and we NEED to do so soon if we plan on continuing as a species.

    (Remember, we don't even know if faster-than-light travel is actually possible - without it, it may be literally thousands of years to get to another star system with workable planets - for one trip. To move even a small percentage of Earth's population that far? We ARE talking about millions of years of work....how long do you want to put off space exploration, now?)

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