George W. quotes

by smurfette 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Smurf,

    Your "favorite" quote just can't be found to be true, it's not proven false, but can't be proven true, and given the intelligence of this president I HIGHLY doubt it...after all, he's not the President that used the "N" word (that was Clinton...while in office) nor did he call anyone a Jewish Bastard (that was Hillary)

    Claim: American president George Bush asked Brazilian president Fernando Cardoso if "Brazil has blacks, too."

    Status: Undetermined.

    Example: [Der Spiegel, 2001]

    It was Condoleezza Rice, national security advisor, who helped her boss out of the embarassing situation. During a conversation between the two presidents, George W. Bush, 55, (USA) and Fernando Henrique Cardoso, 71, (Brazil), Bush bewildered his colleague with the question "Do you have blacks, too?"

    Rice, 47, noticing how astonished the Brazilian was, saved the day by telling Bush "Mr. President, Brazil probably has more blacks than the USA. Some say it's the Country with the most blacks outside Africa." Later, the Brazilian president Cardoso said: regarding Latin America, Bush was still in his "learning phase".

    Origins: In

    another case of a quote reflecting what many people want to believe -- in this case that President Bush is an appallingly ignorant Are you Brazilian? racist with little understanding of the world outside the USA ? we have a current example: a claim that Bush asked of Brazilian president Fernando Henrique Cardoso, "Do you have blacks, too?", before his national security advisor helpfully stepped in to bail him out of an extremely embarrassing situation.

    This item originated with an article entitled "An Overwhelming Ignorance" published in the Brazilian newspaper Estado de Sao Paulo on 28 April 2002, and it gained wider prominence after it was picked up in the 19 May 2002 issue of the German news magazine Der Spiegel (an English translation is provided on gwbush.com).

    Is it true? Bush and Cardoso did meet in the Oval Office back in November 2001 to discuss terrorism-related issues (a meeting that was attended by national security advisor Condoleezza Rice), and they held a trade meeting at the White House on 30 March 2001. But this single-source item is woefully short of specifics, such as which meeting this quote supposedly came from, in what context Bush posed his question, or who reported what Bush purportedly asked. (Many readers have inferred that information about Bush's embarrassing question came from President Cardoso himself because this item has been coupled with Cardoso's statement about Bush's still being in a "learning phase" regarding Latin America, but Cardoso was not referring to this item when he made that statement.)

    Considering that this news wasn't reported until five to thirteen months after the event, we have to wonder whether the person reporting it was actually present for the occasion. (Indeed, the literal English text of Bush's question as printed in Estado de Sao Paulo ? "Do you have blacks, also?" ? bears the marks of non-English speakers who typically write 'also' where English speakers more commonly use 'too.') As it turns out, the Estado de Sao Paulo article was authored by Fernando Pedreira, and as the Washington Post noted:

    Pedreira is very close to Cardoso, who had named him the country's ambassador to UNESCO. Meanwhile, Cardoso is said to have mentioned his chats with Bush while he was on a weekend with some close friends recently in Rio.

    This items sounds like, at best, a second-hand account recounted months after the fact, one which to many seems a little too perfectly ironic in that, of all the people present at the meeting, it has Condoleezza Rice intervening and fixing up Bush's embarrassing inquiry (a black woman with superior knowledge coming to the aid of a "racist" white man in trouble). It's also more than a bit reminiscent of a joke told about Vice-President Dan Quayle in 1989: that Quayle said, "I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." (The essence of the joke was soon put into Quayle's mouth when it quickly mutated into a claim that he actually had said those words, and the joke has been widely cited as a "real" quote ever since).

    Of course, it's also possible that Bush did speak the words attributed to him but that he intended them to carry a different meaning than the commonly-assumed one (especially since Bush is not known for being a particularly good extemporaneous speaker, and the situation was likely complicated by the fact that most of his audience was probably not native English-speaking). He might have meant, for example: "Do you have [problems with racism involving] blacks [in Brazil], too?" (That may be a bit of a stretch, but the point is to illustrate that short quotes offered out of context can often be presented in a way that implies a meaning quite different than the intended one.)

    So, what this issues boils down to is a non-specific, single-source item, one which the Washington Post has the White House dismissing as "total crap." Lacking anything more to go by, we have to leave this one in the "undetermined" column.

    Last updated: 6 June 2002

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Rather than just throw this crap out there, try SOURCING the quotes...some are accurate...some aren't.

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface



    Maybe Junior is not mature enough ... maybe he needs Monica ? or maybe she's always under his desk when he is talking ... whatever.

    (Well he can't hide what he his when he is talking on his own ... terrible)

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    I realize that there is great sport in putting people down such as the President, but there are also other quotes he has contributed:

    "I don't need a poll or a focus group to know what I believe."

    "Recognizing and confronting our history is important. Transcending our history is essential. We are not limited by what we have done, or what we have left undone. We are limited only by what we are willing to do."

    "Government can hand out money, but it cannot put hope in our hearts or a sense of purpose in our lives. It cannot bring us peace of mind. It cannot fill the sprirtual well from which we draw our strength day to day. Only faith can do that."

  • smurfette
    smurfette

    Mr. Yerusalyim,

    As far as me just "throwing crap out there", I did list my source, for the quote. Maybe the book I got it from didn't check the validity of the quote. That I don't know. Also I never implied George W. was a racist and I don't think the quote does either. What it does show is Bush's lack of knowledge regarding other cultures. This was just one example of many. I guess, I can concede if he was trying to speak a foreign language at the time this statement occurred that the language barrier would have been quite an obstacle for Mr. Bush to overcome.

    His lack of the ability to speak the English good is what most of these quotes are about and there is ample proof of his lack of ability in this arena. I find it very entertaining that the "Leader of the Free World" has such diffuculty expressing his ideas and thoughts.

    By the way, I'm not a Clinton fan either.

    Nice quotes double edge - I especially like the first one. It's nice to see the flip side too.

    -Margy

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    His lack of the ability to speak the English good is what most of these quotes are about

    correction should read: "good English " or " English well"

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim
    "Do you have blacks, too?"

    Smurf,

    It may not have been your intention to show GWB to be a Racist by providing this quote...but what other conclusion is one to draw? Is there improper grammar in this sentence? No. So, your arguement about this sentence showing that WB doesn't speak English well doesn't hold water.

  • Gretchen956
    Gretchen956
    but there are also other quotes he has contributed:

    "I don't need a poll or a focus group to know what I believe."

    "Recognizing and confronting our history is important. Transcending our history is essential. We are not limited by what we have done, or what we have left undone. We are limited only by what we are willing to do."

    "Government can hand out money, but it cannot put hope in our hearts or a sense of purpose in our lives. It cannot bring us peace of mind. It cannot fill the sprirtual well from which we draw our strength day to day. Only faith can do that."

    No, actually these are the ones the speech writer WROTE for him. If you catch him unprepared, no paper in front of him, you get those others. I have seen him with the interviews, and without a piece of paper he doesn't know a noun from a verb. You can like him or hate him but you have to admit he is NOT the brightest bulb in the box.

    Gretchen

  • ColdRedRain
    ColdRedRain
    either you're with us or you're with the terrorists'

    see ya! what a dickhead!

    Just remember, the terrorists don't give a care what side you're on. They just want to blow you up. To them, you're a worse offender than the Christian right, you're a secularist, an infidel.

  • ColdRedRain
    ColdRedRain

    "The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got. "

    "Some critics have said our duties in Iraq must be internationalized. This particular criticism is hard to explain to our partners in Britain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Italy, Spain, Poland, Denmark, Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Romania, the Netherlands, Norway, El Salvador and the 17 other countries that have committed troops to Iraq."

    "Twenty-eight months have passed since Sept. 11, 2001 - over two years without an attack on American soil - and it is tempting to believe that the danger is behind us. That hope is understandable, comforting - and false."

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