Senators Told Iraq Had WOMD & Delivery Capability

by Satanus 85 Replies latest social current

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    SS: I understand. Consider my points a "Side Bar" to the issues involved here. My point is that UN/World/Clinton used the same info as Bush as to what Iraq could do...does that make a difference? Yes it does. We need some background to put it all togeather and in perspective. Even if this Urban Myth proves to be true, it is defensible .

    The unfounded claim implies that Bush somehow invented/twisted the intelligence as a pretext to invade

    My point:

    Wow, there has been only 12 years of UN Sanctions because everyone believed

    In one way, Iraq WMD was Sadamm himself?He killed tens of thousands of Iranians, Kurds,his own people, evidence is now showing that there is Terrorist links to Sadamm, notwithstanding, If he himself is not WMD, I do not know what is....Bush?s actions has sent a message to other terrorist States that we will use Pre-emption and not just sit on our ass to mitigate these activities, Just look at the results??Can you name the latest Nation that has folded under this policy?

    If some here whould have had their way, Sadamm would still be in Power............

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Allow me to chime in. "It's sort of puzzling that you can have 100% confidence about WMD existence, but certainly about where they are." Hans Blix to the council of Foreign relations June 23, 2003.

    Http://www.armscontrol.org/act2003_09/Cleminson_09.asp

    Without Prejudice,

    Guest 77

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    I've posted it before, but just prior to the invasion of Iraq, Hans Blix also said to the UN General Assembly;

    "Another matter, and one of great significance, is that many proscribed weapons and items are not accounted for,"
    ?If they exist they should be presented for destruction. If they do not exist, credible evidence to that effect should be presented."
    "In the current situation, one would expect Iraq to be eager to comply,"
    ??some 300 chemical and biological samples have been collected and the destruction of approximately 50 litres of mustard gas has begun.?
    "Today, three months after the adoption of resolution 1441, the period of disarmament through inspection could still be short, if 'immediate, active and unconditional cooperation' with UNMOVIC and the IAEA were to be forthcoming,"

    I took these from the transcript of his talk to the GA on the UN's own website back then. Sorry, the link no longer works as it appears they do they not archive such speech's.

    David Kay, the current head inspector, has a somewhat different story, although not finding the actual weapons himself just yet. HIs comments that were made public may be read at:

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Tichi

    We need some background to put it all togeather and in perspective.

    Yes, some of us do. Here is some:

    July 1 2002

    PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: For much of the last century, America's defense relied on the Cold War doctrines of deterrence and containment. In some cases, those strategies still apply, but new threats also require new thinking. Deterrence, the promise of massive retaliation against nations, means nothing, against shadowy, terrorist networks with no nation or citizens to defend. Containment is not possible when unbalanced dictators with weapons of mass destruction can deliver those weapons on missiles or secretly provide them to terrorists' allies.

    SPOKESMAN: Two, one, zero.

    MARGARET WARNER: The President was describing what's been official U.S. policy in the nuclear age, a defense posture that relied on deterring enemies from attacking the U.S. by the threat of massive retaliation if they do. But Mr. Bush says this new era demands a new strategy: To strike some adversaries first before they attack the U.S.

    http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:PJeIcp1bQ38J:www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june02/strikingfirst_7-01.html+bush+security+policy+preemptive&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    Bush has introduced a new policy of preemptive war. Bush's anouncement here is based on a document that bush buddies put together some 2 yrs before that, even before the 9-11 wtc attack. Wanna read it? It's at: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf Clinton was still operating under the old doctrine, so he doesn't figure into this thread.

    If he himself is not WMD, I do not know what is

    Maybe you could study up on womd. Before desert storm one, how many americans did he kill?

    SS

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    SS:

    Nice Try. Bush, from the start, has had a Pre-Emptive policy, so your "how many Americans did he kill" is a red herring. You did not comment on Clinton?s Executive Order, that Pre-dates concerns regarding Iraq before your "Right Wing Conspiracy."

    Then there is the Al Qaeds?a links to Iraq. The evidence shows:

    1. The Clinton administration also warned the American public about those ties and defended its response to al Qaeda terror by citing an Iraqi connection.

    2. For nearly two years, starting in 1996, the CIA monitored the al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan. The plant was known to have deep connections to Sudan's Military Industrial Corporation, and the CIA had gathered intelligence on the budding relationship between Iraqi chemical weapons experts and the plant's top officials. The intelligence included information that several top chemical weapons specialists from Iraq had attended ceremonies to celebrate the plant's opening in 1996. And, more compelling, the National Security Agency had intercepted telephone calls between Iraqi scientists and the plant's general manager.

    3.In the spring of 1998, when the CIA secretly gathered a soil sample from 60 feet outside of the plant's main gate. The sample showed high levels of O-ethylmethylphosphonothioic acid, known as EMPTA, which is a key ingredient for the deadly nerve agent VX. A senior intelligence official who briefed reporters at the time was asked which countries make VX using EMPTA. "Iraq is the only country we're aware of," the official said. "There are a variety of ways of making VX, a variety of recipes, and EMPTA is fairly unique."

    4. That briefing came on August 24, 1998, four days after the Clinton administration launched cruise-missile strikes against al Qaeda targets in Afghanistan and Sudan (Osama bin Laden's headquarters from 1992-96), including the al Shifa plant. The missile strikes came 13 days after bombings at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killed 257 people--including 12 Americans--and injured nearly 5,000. Clinton administration officials said that the attacks were in part retaliatory and in part preemptive. U.S. intelligence agencies had picked up "chatter" among bin Laden's deputies indicating that more attacks against American interests were imminent.

    5. The al Shifa plant in Sudan was largely destroyed after being hit by six Tomahawk missiles. John McWethy, national security correspondent for ABC News, reported the story on August 25, 1998:

    Before the pharmaceutical plant was reduced to rubble by American cruise missiles, the CIA was secretly gathering evidence that ended up putting the facility on America's target list. Intelligence sources say their agents clandestinely gathered soil samples outside the plant and found, quote, "strong evidence" of a chemical compound called EMPTA, a compound that has only one known purpose, to make VX nerve gas.

    Then, the connection:

    The U.S. had been suspicious for months, partly because of Osama bin Laden's financial ties, but also because of strong connections to Iraq. Sources say the U.S. had intercepted phone calls from the plant to a man in Iraq who runs that country's chemical weapons program.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Tichi

    That's interesting. Again, clinton isn't what this thread is about. The phone calls connection sounds interesting. Maybe you have enough info to start another thread.

    SS

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    OK, then, what is your underlying point? That the information provided is not true? If this is the case, then my point becomes very much on topic...

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    My point is that, it appears that publicly bush and republicans have not stated that saddam was an imminent threat, as yeru stated. Yet, it appears that privately, behind the shield of being classified, in order to win a gulf war2 vote, 75 senators were briefed to the affect that saddam was an imminent threat. Are saying saddam was an imminent threat?

    SS

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Blast from the past:

    Iraq: Bush Tells Americans Saddam Is An Imminent Threat

    By Andrew F. Tully

    U.S. President George W. Bush is facing some skepticism about his plan to confront Iraq -- militarily if necessary -- over its development of weapons of mass destruction. Last night, Bush addressed the American people in an effort to ease their concerns.

    Washington, 8 October 2002 (RFE/RL) -- President George W. Bush addressed the American people last night in an effort to convince them of what he believes is the urgency to confront Iraq about its pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, and to go to war over the issue if necessary.

    Speaking from Cincinnati, Bush said Iraq's president, Saddam Hussein, poses a unique threat to the Middle East, to the United States, and to the world. "While there are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are controlled by a murderous tyrant [Hussein] who has already used chemical weapons to kill thousands of people," Bush said.

    Bush said the United States and the world cannot afford to wait -- as some have suggested -- for Saddam to abandon his programs of weapons of mass destruction, as required by the United Nations under the terms of the cease-fire that ended hostilities in the 1991 Gulf War. "The longer we wait, the stronger and bolder Saddam Hussein will become. We could wait and hope that Saddam does not give weapons to terrorists or develop a nuclear weapon to blackmail the world. But I'm convinced that is a hope against all evidence," Bush said.

    But the U.S. president said this urgency does not mean that war is imminent or inevitable. Still, he said, he is prepared to lead a coalition of countries in a military strike against Iraq if necessary.

    Bush delivered the speech as the U.S. Congress is in the midst of a debate over whether it should give advance approval to Bush to take whatever action he believes would be appropriate on Iraq..........

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I don't see that word or an equivalent coming out of bush's mouth. Which of his words do you interpret as calling saddam an imminent threat to the usa? From which newspaper is that?

    SS

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