JWs near of losing their status a religious organization in Norway

by Festus 20 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Festus
    Festus

    Last spring Norweigian state refused to give public contribution to JWs (religious organisations can apply that in Norway and previously WTBS has been granted that). The decision was caused because of practise of disfellowshpiping.

    Now there is a new twist.

    25.10.2022 authorites in Norway send a letter to WTBS and told them that they have four weeks to fix that practise.

    If they don't do that they will loose their status as a religiouse organisation.

    Intrestingly JWs did not "understand" what authorites meant by that and requested more time.

    How can they not understand? The monentary contribution was denied crystal clearly because of shunning policy...

    In their letter to authorities they refer - rather ironically - to ECHR (The European Convention on Human Rights). Well, they themselves do not give their own members any rights what so ever what it comes to religiouse freedom.

    JWs are also puzzled about the fact that some action now is taken considering that they have had their status for decades...well shunning people might not be the greatest of reasons to bragg to...

    Here is a link to Norweigian newspaper that wrote about the case (google translator works pretty well):

    Statsforvalteren har sendt Jehovas vitner varsel om tap av registrering som trossamfunn – Vårt Land (vl.no)

    Here is another link to another activist "johanneksenpoika" aka "son of John" in Finland (neighbourgh country) who also comments the case. Societys letter (in English alsol) can be found from his site:

    Johanneksen pojan kotisivut - Tietoa Vartiotorniseurasta ja Jehovan todistajista (johanneksenpoika.fi)

    PLEASE READ THIS AS WELL: about this Finnish activst (bitoff topic)

    My understanding is that he is the person who approached the local data ombudsman in Finland at 2012 what it comes to "field service notes". What happened is that "the case" went throug all legal levels in Finland and finally end up at EU court. EU court was not favorable for witness.

    So grass root can - and wil - pay off.

    Link (google translate) :

    Jehovan todistajat rikkovat henkilötietolakia tekemällä muistiinpanoja ovenavaajista kysymättä heiltä lupaa (johanneksenpoika.fi)

  • truth_b_known
    truth_b_known

    Norway seems to be a nation of innovation.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    Let's go Norway!! Have them set a precedent.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Soon you can expect no disfellowshippings in Norway.

    There will simply be a lot of "voluntary disassociations because of one's actions or attitudes".

  • road to nowhere
    road to nowhere

    I would rather have it over lack of charitable works. DF comes under doctrine. Of course the application by local BOEs is extremely uneven,

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister

    I was given to understand the Norwegian government financial grant was removed because of the practice of shunning minors, many times by family (and examples were given of shunning even within the family home). This is rightly deemed as child abuse and contravenes the ECHR rights of the child.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    "There will simply be a lot of "voluntary disassociations because of one's actions or attitudes"."

    anything to avoid legal consequences. Just the same when it came to voting or joining the military.


  • ThomasMore
    ThomasMore

    ...and taking blood transfusions.

  • DarleneGatus
    DarleneGatus

    More governments are realizing that shunning is inhumane and causes huge psychological harm.

    Freedom from religious persecution doesn't give a religion the right to destroy lives.

    And the numbers of shunned individuals keep growing while the reasons for which they are shunned seem increasingly unreasonable and unconscionable.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    They haven’t got much legitimate reason for complaint, either; all they’ll really lose is tax-exemption.

    Boo-fucking-hoo.

    Unless

    …their financial status is at risk without it.

    😏

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