Unusual means for getting expelled - Disfellowshipped. (page 3)

OneFingerSalute

This may offend some animal "rights" types, but some thirty years ago I had a Australian stock dog that was very good working with my livestock, and also pretty nice to people, at least when I was around. One time, and only one time that dog went after a young girl who was over playing with my daughter when the visiting girl tripped, fell down, and started to screech at the top of her little lungs. I was there and stopped the attack before the dog managed to even break the skin of the girl. But a dog that does that once WILL do it again, and I was not going to take the chance of it being a serious injury, or worse the next time. I put the dog down immediately. Responsible owners will do what is best for people.

Diogenesister

Rattigan350 I am speechless. You are responsible for your dogs - you are lucky you were not arrested for manslaughter, as it easily could have turned out lethal. Having that no of dogs is a form of madness anyway, especially if they are in the same family - they need YOU a lot less and revert to the pack mentality more, I've seen it happen, often.

Actually the too ing and fro ing that dogs do with toys is a BONDING behaviour - those dogs were bonding over attacking that poor girl. I love dogs but I have a healthy respect for a powerful animal with that many teeth and I would NEVER repeat NEVER leave a minor to look after pack of dogs - because pack they were.

You should be grief stricken alright - for the girl to suffer such trauma over something that is basically your responsibility.

Diogenesister

But a dog that does that once WILL do it again, and I was not going to take the chance of it being a serious injury, or worse the next time. I put the dog down immediately. Responsible owners will do what is best for people.

Onefingersalute Is right - Battersea dogs home have told me the same thing when a neighbours dog attacked a friend.Unfortunately this dog was doing the same - protecting its small boy owner from what it perceived was a threat of my friend dismounting his bike suddenly.

Edit: nothing happened to the dog and it DID attack someone else in the park.

tornapart

Rattigan, I hope you come back to comment more on this. You come across as though you have no compassion at all for what this poor young lady went through. Your only concern seems to be what happened to you as a result. Can you answer many of the posters comments? Your post is very disturbing.

Rattigan350

Wow, Why is everyone getting after me for this?

Punkofnice got it right when he said "This is just plain weird. There's more to this than meets the eye." Yes, there is much more to this than meets the eye.

I posted this story 2 years ago no one wrote responses like this then. Data-Dog said then "Of course, Jeehoober is most to blame. One angel could have shown themselves to the world and saved the child "

What you all are saying is that I should have taken my anger against the elders, that I mentioned in My Story (Did you all read that?) out on them at an earlier time and not have it get mixed in with this situation. When I was looking for a hug from them they were looking for bloodguilt and that was the last straw. While you all were taking about the dogs and the girl, neither of those were relevant. Funny that no one said what they would have done in this instance. Call me names? For why? I did what you all did. I just didn't fade, or write a letter, I got vocal. But they didn't state that as the reason for the DFing. They didn't state a reason. That's my point.

When I posted my story on here just before this, people were kind and understood. Well where is that here? Understand that... Understand.. for the past year and a half, nearly everyday, I would get this anger in myself. Anger that I didn't tell the judge off, the sheriff's depts off, the elders off, my boss and director, wife, family etc. The issue is not the girl or the dogs, it is that I have regret in my past that I was walked all over because I have regrets of the organization. One time I talked with a therapist through work EAP. Maybe I should try that again, but they don't understand what we have been through with the organization. The incident is simply an accident. Couldn't have been foreseen.

@ makemeanunbeliever - It's not a matter of grieving for the dogs more than a person. It's that more killing does not make things right. And I grieve for the ones that loved me, licked me on my face, sat on my lap, gave me hugs, the ones that are not judgmental toward me, the ones that don't judge me by how much field service time I get or meeting attendance, etc. People that judge me by those things, no feelings... Two years prior, the COBE, the one that I said had got after me many times, died from cancer. I was indifferent about that, relieved even, but his father was on the JC and on that meeting with the DO and CO and me. I was constrained about mentioned that to them.

@shadow - Blame the victim? A person is a victim because that one did something blameworthy. A person who did everything right is not a victim. The pups' father was a stray. It was stupid that we took him in not knowing his shot history. Had him for 4 days and he bit me in the arm, just once, (that line from Johnny Dangerously) because he was just horny for the female and didn't care about me or the others, same thing for a teenage male human. After he bit me I picked him up and threw him in the pool as I upset. I didn't want to put him down, but he had to be tested for rabies as he was a stray. I still ended up going to the hospital and get rabies shots. The two we have now are very smart. They don't like each other. They are jealous and competitive, but they don't fight. They used to fight when there were the others, but they are well behaved now.

@Simon - "You sound like an irresponsible idiot who nearly got a poor girl killed." How? Because I went to work as I normally did and things others did caused the problem? I had them in a fenced yard and that is where they were. How was I irresponsible? "You knew the dogs got in fights with the others - that is not normal behavior that should be tolerated. It points to poor training and poor management of them." And the two others who took care of them had no problems. They got in fights because one got out of the fence and when put back in the mother and her sister would fight with it as a means of punishing her for getting out. That was a family matter between them, but I would teach them to leave that to me. The way I looked at it was that if a person went in my garage and played with the chainsaw without permission or proper supervision, then that one can get hurt.

@Wingcommander - "You Sir, should be ashamed to actually try and turn it around to make that girl responsible for her own injuries" Who was responsibile for her going in my yard without my permission and supervision? How was that my responsibility? How about considering that I would have liked to have been there too. Maybe, did you think that is what I was upset at, how the congregation had ignored me, marked me prior?

"If the JW Cult DF'd you for your incredible behaviour, then I say, "Good for them!!!!"" What behavior? Being pissed at the elders for not being comforting and placing bloodguilt on us when there was no need for that. What was done had been done and they didn't need to dig it up. That behavior?

@jonza "I have no words, except, you disgust me!" Why do I disgust you? What did I do? As I said, I just went to work as normal and everything happened without me doing anything. Are you all criticizing me because I loved my dogs inspite of this? Criticizing me because of my feelings? I wasn't there, why would my feelings change? But then again, why did you interpret things that way? Attribute one result to another action?

@OnTheWayOUt "I gotta believe your DF had more to do with your indifference toward a young girl being attacked".

A year about you commented on this story and said "I think that this man is right. But his "sin" will be not kissing the asses of (not agreeing with) the appointed men." You were right then.

When the COBE died 2 years prior of cancer, I was indifferent because of the way he treated me prior. I didn't go to the funeral. When the organization does not teach love, one does not feel it or know how to feel it. Actually their reaction was because of my getting angry toward them. But hey, Paul had a sharp burst of anger with Barnabus. Is that wrong?

And you said "you were "expecting" your wife to wait until you got home to introduce your killers to this girl". I didn't say anything about them being killers. I just expected her to do what was done before when the others took care of them. The whole basis of introducing her to them and them to her is for safety. That is prudent. If I didn't like the actions and reactions, I would have said no. And if there was trouble I would have stopped it. And without me there where would the safety be? Bypassing that lead to the result. Without proper supervision and enough training, it was bound to be problematic. A person does not get on a horse and become a good safe rider without training and supervision. A person does not get in a race car and make full speed runs without making slow speed runs and supervision and training.

And I didn't put it in the message but the girl's mother and my wife became best friends. She is more capable of letting go than I am. You know, I've never actually listened to that song. I'll have to play it.

Wasanelder Once

You just can't cure stupid.

shadow

Amen!

JWdaughter

OMG. He tells us all that he was DFd for this and now sends us to another thread for rest of the story. We responded to what he said.

Girl was in yard at homeowners invitation. Your dogs are your responsibility as well as the wife's. If he or wife can't control dogs, don't have them. Anyone coming in their yard is was at risk, including family. DFd over it or not, he was unwise in the extreme and it's good to know that barking stupid can play a part to get one DFd in this case, at least.

out4good4

The incident is simply an accident. Couldn't have been foreseen.

....and he double downs on it.....

Stunning!!!!

Late Bloomer

I posted this story 2 years ago no one wrote responses like this then.

If you've posted this story before and everyone agreed with you, why rehash it again? Has anything changed since then? Perhaps it would've been better to let sleeping dogs lie--pardon the pun.

(Maybe your first version of the story omitted minor details like the girl’s scalp was tore off and had great injuries and lost about 80% of her blood.)

Unusual means for getting expelled - Disfellowshipped.

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