by ThomasCovenant 84 Replies latest jw friends
Sometimes personal rights need to be mitigated by personal responsibilities and acting for the greater good.
^ When personal rights and freedoms are removed under the guise of doing it for the "greater good", then you are on the downhill slide to not just Socialism, but Communism and tyranny. This is how ALL tyrannies and dictatorships have started out. Good luck with that.
@TC - the problem with your line of thinking is that you're blaming the weapons (tools) rather than the people who chose to use them.
Who are the people that chose to use weapons and hurt others?
Here is a brief review of the reality of the world we live in. And no political enforcement is going to change that reality.
One in four people in the world will be affected by mental or neurological disorders at some point in their lives. There are 7.5 billion people on the planet and that means that about 2 billion people can lose it at any time and go on a shooting spree, suicide bombing or some other mass killing spree.
https://www.who.int/whr/2001/media_centre/press_release/en/
There are about 30 million Psychopaths in the world.
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/psychopathy-2470590-Nov2015/
There are about 4 billion people who are religious and among these there are a high number of fanatics who will misinterpret their belief to harm others.
Then there are those that lose it because they’ve lost their job, wife, girlfriend, were bullied, or whatever life throws their way and they decide to go on a killing spree.
If by some chance one just happens to be in a church, a school, a shopping mall, and there is a person who loses it, and illegally gets a gun and targets you and your family, will you feel safer if you can legally have a gun to defend yourself and your family or will you feel better and more at peace if the government makes it illegal for you to carry a gun to defend yourself and your only alternative is to hope and pray to someone in the spirit realm, to make the evil go away.
One in four people in the world will be affected by mental or neurological disorders at some point in their lives. There are 7.5 billion people on the planet and that means that about 2 billion people can lose it at any time and go on a shooting spree, suicide bombing or some other mass killing spree ... There are about 30 million Psychopaths in the world - similar to TC's comment, you're laying the blame at the feet of the wrong people.
Thirty million psychopaths don't go on multiple shooting massacres. It was just the one person, Tarrant. All the millions of psychopaths who live within the law and don't harm anyone can rightly feel quite angry with your comment.
Hundreds of millions of Muslims didn't massacre Lee Rigby - it was just two people.
Very much right to ban it
When anyone can own an automatic weapon then massacres using automatic weapons happen
Well of course, but many "brilliant" minds on this forum don't seem to get that. Instead they use the old and tired strawman argument by pretending we are advocating for taking all guns from citizens.
The issue is that if we are going to assume that a very small percentage of the population will be deranged people who will want to kill every one around them, then the question becomes: " how much firepower do you want to place in their hands".
Where do you draw this line? Because the line is already drawn somewhere. After all citizens can't get bazookas or tanks, and they are arms as well. The government already determines which "arms" you can get. We are saying that you should draw the line at not allowing guns that enable killing large amounts of people in a short time.
But wait.. it's people that kill people, not guns, right? Well, this is the same stupid argument that would become crystalized if you live with a emotionally troubled person, and you go to work and you leave a gun sitting on the kitchen table. You get home and this person has gone out and killed 20 people. Now, it's the person that went out and did the killings, but you have responsibility because you made it extremely easy for them them to do it.
So i say let us continue to have guns that enable us to reasonably protect ourselves, and restrict access to guns that enable others to kill large amounts of people quickly.
Ok, so here are the groups of people that I mentioned.
There are about 4 billion people who are religious and among these there are a high number of fanatics who will misinterpret their belief to harm others. (Religious fanatics who misinterprets their beliefs)
One in four people in the world will be affected by mental or neurological disorders at some point in their lives. There are 7.5 billion people on the planet and that means that about 2 billion people can lose it at any time and go on a shooting spree, suicide bombing or some other mass killing spree. (People who have some type of mental disorder)
There are about 30 million Psychopaths in the world.
(a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.)
Then there are those that lose it because they’ve lost their job, wife, girlfriend, were bullied, or whatever life throws their way and they decide to go on a killing spree.
(Average person who loses it for some reason or another)
So you said “similar to TC's comment, you're laying the blame at the feet of the wrong people.”
You also said; “@TC - the problem with your line of thinking is that you're blaming the weapons (tools) rather than the people who chose to use them.”
So if I blamed the wrong people and TC blamed the weapons, and we are both wrong, people and weapons is not the cause --What’s left? Enlighten me, whose to blame????
Could I just say that I haven't blamed any body or any weapons for any thing.
I was asking questions.
So if I blamed the wrong people and TC blamed the weapons, and we are both wrong, people and weapons is not the cause --What’s left? Enlighten me, whose to blame???? - the people who carried out the shootings/massacres - they're to blame.
People who openly call for shootings/massacres/violence also must share some blame.
Any ideologies/beliefs/political strategies also need to be explored.
Again, all the millions of psychopaths, mentally-ill people, Muslims and racists who live peaceful lives within the law can rightly feel angry with your comments.
Do you agree with this idea?
Absolutely, this should taken upon in every country.
Again, all the millions of psychopaths, mentally-ill people, Muslims and racists who live peaceful lives within the law can rightly feel angry with your comments.
So if the shooter in NZ didn't fall into any of the groups I mentioned because ALL OF THEM live peaceful lives-then according to you he must of just been a law abiding citizen with a clear head and no political and ideological ideas coercing him to do the shooting. He just felt like shooting and killing people because that's what normal people do.
