Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

by redsetter2 35 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • redsetter2

    The following is an excerpt from one of Aesop's Fables.

    The Boy who cried "wolf"!

    There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!"

    The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.

    "Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers, "when there's no wolf!" They went grumbling back down the hill.

    Later, the boy sang out again, "Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!" To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.

    When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, "Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don't cry 'wolf' when there is NO wolf!"

    But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.

    Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, "Wolf! Wolf!"

    But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn't come.

    At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn't returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.

    "There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, "Wolf!" Why didn't you come?"

    An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.

    "We'll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning," he said, putting his arm around the youth, "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"


    The moral of the story is that lying gets you nowhere because people won't believe you if you even begin to tell the truth.

    Would you say that you are an honest exjw? I hope so. But we can't trust everyone, and at the same time we cannot distrust everyone.

    That "spiritual" elder, you know, the one who appears to do everything by the book and always gets his way, you know him? He may be watching porn regularly, or looking at apostate websites. Now the GB cannot regulate this, but it is true: elders are not allowed to watch any porn (regardless of how things are worded in the Shepherding textbook) nor are they permitted to read "apostate" information from exjws. This is only reserved for a strict few amongst Bethelites who form committees to investigate matters, often from the PID department.

    So if you know an elder who has read apostate information from any exjw sites, then you can report him to his elder body. See what power you can have over these dispensable men.

    On the other hand, the biggest scandal recently I have observed is that one person after another has risen up to claim that they have inside information that they are leaking. I want to reveal the following caution and information.


    The regular Jehovah's Witnesses will vehemently deny that this is a thing, however the PID department from World Headquarters does use "fake leakers" under various pseudonyms, primarily on Reddit and some other sites. The Watchtower Organization also views all websites not connected with JW.ORG as potentially apostate sites, including the infamous JW community site JWTALK.

    These leakers may follow through all the methods of the KGB and Gestapo to get what they need. They may give subtle hints, knowing that changes will in fact happen within the Org.

    The Instagram account JW Barbas was originally planted by a Bethelite for a few years leading up to the policy change on beard wearing for Jehovah's Witness men. This was done so as to test the waters before a change took place.

    We may wonder what the purpose of this is? There doesn't seem to be an end goal for Watchtower.

    It's all for legal reasons. By engaging with the exjw community privately they deceitfully tell governments that this is one way they do not shun members.

    Additionally, by engaging with exjw communities, JW spies test the waters to see how "unbelieving relatives" are thinking and what they will potentially persecute Jehovah's Witnesses for next. By minimising persecution and legal issues through devious methods such as this, the Watchtower Organization deliberately attempts to keep itself alive when it knows all too well that Watchtower is a machine that will always harm its members.

    All I can say, as dissident, I will resign from Jehovah's Witnesses in the next month for my own security. The "leaks" which I have provided are not a boy "crying wolf", rather I have been surrounded by many cries of wolf by JW spies online attempting to discredit my information and malign the reputation I attempted to gain. Nevertheless, I hold Watchtower fully accountable for their evil and non Christian acts.

    Leaks in general are extremely difficult to come out of Bethel, and I implore everyone to take as a grain of salt even the information I provided, because the GB are always reactionary, nothing is ever set in stone. Hey, this 10 year plan may even be a 5 year plan when I leave. At the end of the day there is no real plan. The Watchtower organization are simply aiming to survive, and they will do whatever it takes to do that, even if it means losing loyal members.

    Over and out


  • TonusOH

    I would assume the purpose of fake accounts and websites is to see if they can identify the people who are giving away information from the inside. Internal witch hunts, to match the ones they use to try and identify PIMOs who run websites and video channels. And, as a side benefit for them, they might just identify rank-and-file members who have let their curiosity get the better of them, and nip any of this "think for myself" madness in the bud.

  • Elmer


  • Elmer

    Phil (Raymond Franz) will have a video out soon telling everyone that a “Bethel Insider” has declared that the “10 Year Plan” will now be the “5 Year Plan”.

  • Vidiot
    redsetter2 - “…By minimising persecution and legal issues through devious methods such as this, the Watchtower Organization deliberately attempts to keep itself alive…”

    Paradoxical that it fights so hard to survive…

    …yet sometimes seems like it’s expecting - even setting itself up for - an epic fall.

  • LaFrancia

    Redsetter 2, I agree with everything you wrote. If I were a Bethelite I would have revealed the information/leak just like you did. This is called INTELLIGENCE.

    Revealing too much about yourself is not safe anywhere unless you plan to quit Jehovah's Witnesses. Although it is always better to keep your identity confidential and mislead.

    I find it very interesting that on Reddit a large number of people are discrediting the Bethelite leakers, so I assume they are members of the Watchtower/Warwick PID.

    To all aware Bethelites I say continue to inform and be careful, there is no need to give too much proof of who you are, don't risk unnecessarily

  • Vidiot
    LaFrancia - “…I find it very interesting that on Reddit a large number of people are discrediting the Bethelite leakers, so I assume they are members of the Watchtower/Warwick PID.”

    “Watchtower Counterintelligence Force…


  • GrreatTeacher

    Oh, come on, he used the handle JW Barbas to talk about beards?!?

    Wasn't that a little obvious?

    Not that I ever go on Instagram, but I'd have liked to have seen how that played out!

    Was the guy who was stirring up info on women wearing pants named JW Pantalones?

    As they say, trolls gonna troll.

  • GrreatTeacher

    New posters of note:

    "Halcon" means falcon, a bird of prey.

    "Redsetter" is a type of hunting dog who works with a human hunter to hunt prey.

    Are they here in their new hunting grounds on JWD?

    Names can give you a lot of information if you're paying attention.

  • RonPOMO

    LOL okay. Very convenient!

    You had multiple well known exJW activists trying to work with you. When the tough questions came, that you should have easily been able to answer if you really work in the department you claim to, you stopped engaging. You never connected with me or others that followed your instructions. But you happily gave us a name. Is that someone you have beef with?

    You implied that one of the best exJW resources would vouch for your identity and information. You never provided any proof or documentation. Were you the wolf trying to discredit these resources?

    You came on Reddit and wrote warnings for insiders to be careful and then proceeded to post more and more and more. You asked those you DM'd with to not repeat any information and then went on to blast it out yourself. You call other "leakers" dumb and immature and never once leaked anything as significant as the deleted shunning videos from last year's convention or other things that immature guy did. At least as far as I am aware. You leaked information that the lowest of janitors in Bethel were probably aware of JUST before it was going to be public anyway.

    In my opinion you are an immature attention seeker that has zero regard for the gullible younger and older exJWs that have gone on to share your BS "not a plan" as if these are factual things that the organisation has already changed. Every day I see your BS getting spread further and further across platforms by YouTubers and content generators that don't care about sticking to facts. People get excited and take this stuff to their PIMI relatives. Do you care what happens after that?

    You have the far right conspiracy crowd eating up every word you say and deciphering the hidden meaning in the names and phrases you use. You are trying to make people believe that exJW groups are some kind of testing ground for future changes and are full of spies. Which also implies that these groups are not safe spaces for exJWs to find support which IMHO is their primary function. Is this all a game to you?

    If you are who you claim to be and one day soon show your face on YouTube with Lloyd Evans or even some lower exJW content generator, I'll eat crow. But until then I think you are the boy in the story. Maybe the wolf. You'll be back in some way shape or form seeking attention and spouting off BS.

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