Is Satan Real ?

by jdash 53 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • moreconfusedthanever

    This entire forum is full of people who have "prior belief systems". We were all once deceived into believing everything we were told by a terrible mind control cult.

  • cofty
    Sorry if l touched raw nerves about peoples prior belief systems - atomant

    Why would anybody be sensitive about their prior beliefs on a ex-JW forum?

    It's your current belief in superstitions that you ought to be embarrassed about.

  • Old Navy
    Old Navy

    Those who worship Satan tell us that he is indeed real. Some have revealed that he will manifest in certain rituals and ceremonies and that he is very tall and incredibly beautiful. Satan has the power to produce feelings of extreme ecstasy and a complete sensation of deep love and happiness in the hearts and minds of his worshipers.

    The Word tells us that Satan is not "all bad all the time." In fact, Satan spends most of his time acting as an angel of light who appears to do good deeds. The Word also tells us that he is loved as much as all of the sentient creation, in spite of numerous flaws, and he too will be healed and made whole. Look at the example of Saul of Tarsus as an indication of how "all things are possible."

    We all seem to have a bit of Satan in us.

  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower

    This blog talks about the collective unconscious(Jung).

    The Collective Unconscious:

    On October 19, 1936, Jung delivered a lecture "The Concept of the Collective Unconscious" to the Abernethian Society at St. Bartholomew's Hospital in London.[6] He said:
    My thesis then, is as follows: in addition to our immediate consciousness, which is of a thoroughly personal nature and which we believe to be the only empirical psyche (even if we tack on the personal unconscious as an appendix), there exists a second psychic system of a collective, universal, and impersonal nature which is identical in all individuals. This collective unconscious does not develop individually but is inherited. It consists of pre-existent forms, the archetypes, which can only become conscious secondarily and which give definite form to certain psychic contents.[7]
    Jung linked the collective unconscious to 'what Freud called "archaic remnants" – mental forms whose presence cannot be explained by anything in the individual's own life and which seem to be aboriginal, innate, and inherited shapes of the human mind'.[8] He credited Freud for developing his "primal horde" theory in Totem and Taboo and continued further with the idea of an archaic ancestor maintaining its influence in the minds of present-day humans. Every human being, he wrote, "however high his conscious development, is still an archaic man at the deeper levels of his psyche."[9]
    As modern humans go through their process of individuation, moving out of the collective unconscious into mature selves, they establish a persona—which can be understood simply as that small portion of the collective psyche which they embody, perform, and identify with.[10]
    The collective unconscious exerts overwhelming influence on the minds of individuals. These effects of course vary widely, since they involve virtually every emotion and situation. At times, the collective unconscious can terrify, but it can also heal.

    At the sight of evil, Jung continued, “Indignation leaps up, angry cries of ‘Justice!’ pursue the murderer, and they are louder, more impassioned and more charged with hate the more fiercely burns the fire of evil that has been lit in our souls.”[iii] When we see evil, if we react with moral indignation, cocksure of our own innocence and righteousness, this itself is an expression that we ourselves have become infected by evil and have become a conduit for evil to act itself out through us. Jung said of this, “True, we are innocent, we are the victims, robbed, betrayed, outraged; and yet for all that, or precisely because of it, the flame of evil glowers in our moral indignation.”[iv]When we see evil, it triggers a resonant darkness within us, as if we have secretly recognized a part of ourselves. It is important to understand that we could not look at the face of evil and truly see it unless we had that very same evil within ourselves. We wouldn’t be able to recognize it otherwise.When we see a deeper, archetypal energy such as evil, the fact that something within ourselves becomes touched and activated is analogous to what happens when we see and experience the unconscious as it manifests itself through others. It is impossible to see and experience the unconscious as it is played out in our world and remain a detached, passive witness. When we see the unconscious “out there,” our own unconscious is activated by the experience. The same is true when we witness evil.It is then a question of whether we can integrate what has been triggered in us, or do we inwardly dissociate from our own darkness, imagining it to be separate from ourselves, and project the evil “out there” onto some “other.” Projecting the shadow like this, Jung said, “…strengthens the opponent’s position in the most effective way, because the projection carries the fear which we involuntarily and secretly feel for our own evil over to the other side and considerably increases the formidableness of his threat.”[v] The dream-like nature of this world is such that if we project out our own darkness, the world will shape-shift and provide convincing evidence that the evil really does exist out there, which simply confirms to us our delusion in a never-ending, self-generating feedback loop.To the extent that any of us have withdrawn our projection of the shadow “out there,” we have begun, as Jung said, “…the only struggle that is really worthwhile: the fight against the overwhelming power-drive of the shadow.”[vi] For as Jung pointed out, every person:
    “harbours within himself a dangerous shadow and adversary who is involved as an invisible helper in the dark machinations of the political monster. It is in the nature of political bodies always to see the evil in the opposite group, just as the individual has an ineradicable tendency to get rid of everything he does not know and does not want to know about himself by foisting it off on somebody else.”
  • atomant
    Yes your right cofty why should l be sensitive about prior beliefs especially when l don't have any.l left the cult the day l turned 15 after 15 years of brain washing and avoided baptism.
  • venus

    Existence of God Almighty and existence of Satan are not reconcilable. Religious leaders invented Satan for their own benefit.

  • Fred Franztone
    Fred Franztone

    How can anyone be a creationist in the 21st century, it's like playing with dolls in your forties

  • OrphanCrow
    atomant: why should l be sensitive about prior beliefs especially when l don't have any.

    You are contradicting yourself.

    atomant: Satan is real allright.Almost 100% of posters in here once believed satan was real but had a change of heart.Funny about that.Satan is a man slayer and master manipulator.
  • Fred Franztone
    Fred Franztone

    You can't argue with delusion

  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower

    I tend to view Satan as Jehovah's shadow. Clearly this Jehovah character dreamed up during the Bronze age has a huge shadow in his unconscious due to denial and a huge ego complex as well as an over compensating inferiority complex. Jehovah has a massive power drive and anybody who questions him or doesn't give him abject obedience he projects his own evil, which he is in denial of, upon that person and makes them justifiable fair game for his cruel wrathful punishment and death(don't dare pick up sticks to make a fire on Saturday the penalty is death according to ancient biblical Jehovah).

    Satan is a scapegoat which Jehovah can hang all his evil hidden(through denial) in his personal shadow on. I think the book of Job gives us a clear view of Jehovah's insanity and megalomania as well as other personality flaws which was responsible for Job's intense suffering.

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