Knock knock."Who's there? Two elders!!

by Darkknight757 34 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Darkknight757
    Darkknight757

    So today was a cold and snowy day in my neck of the woods and the wife and I were just chilling around the house waiting to go to the church tonight for a candle lighting service when lo and behold we get a knock on the door. Yup, 2 elders from my old hall.

    I figured they were fishing for some time so I invited them in and gave them some coffee and we talked about everything that happened and why we walk away from the JW's. To my surprise the conversation went quite well. I told them we are never going back despite the fact that they want to come over and answer my many questions about their crazy doctrine.

    Either way I was brutally honest with them and told them how it is. So they want to come back. I left them with the question regarding Genesis chapter 1 and how the creator of the universe doesn't know that trees require sunlight. They were dumbfounded.

  • evilApostate
    evilApostate
    Either way I was brutally honest with them and told them how it is. So they want to come back. I left them with the question regarding Genesis chapter 1 and how the creator of the universe doesn't know that trees require sunlight. They were dumbfounded.

    Lol. I bet they will say that he created light and darkness in day one, even though the sun wasn't made until day 4. Where would the light come from? Another bible contradiction I guess.

    3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.+ 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.+And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.

    When they come back, tell them that the snake told the truth in the garden of eden:

    https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6252278996533248/satan-really-bad-guy-story-creation

  • schnell
    schnell

    If they look it up, they might say that Genesis 1 is written from the perspective of an earthly observer (for some reason) and that there were "swathing bands" that obscured the light that was already there... Eh, they won't understand it, but yeah.

  • kairos
    kairos

    the Feb 2017 WT, GB not inspired, etc quote would have been golden.

    next time?

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    You do know that they're going to come back and ask you the question, " do you believe this is gods organisation?"

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    They won't be back they hate questioning people!

  • tepidpoultry
    tepidpoultry

    They might be back it gets mind numbingly boring driving around,

    :0)

  • skimthesurface
    skimthesurface

    Light was created in verse 3, vegetation in verse 11....

  • schnell
    schnell

    Genesis 1New King James Version (NKJV)

    The History of Creation

    1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

    3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

    6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

    9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry landEarth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

    11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, andthe fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

    14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

    20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

    24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

    26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

    29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there islife, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

  • schnell
    schnell

    So the sun and stars (as if the sun isn't a star or is even a particularly large star) are created after the "light" and after vegetation. And they're in the "firmament". What's the firmament? Or "expanse"? The Insight book endorses an unscientific "water canopy" around the earth, but the Babylonian cosmos shows that the firmament was not unlike the ceiling of a snow globe. That is how they saw the world.


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