Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

by Simon 252 Replies latest social current

  • Simon
    Simon

    You seem to confuse 'left' with 'liberal' (the left are often the most illiberal) and have then taken a lot of things that republicans did and claimed them as being from the left as well as it being just a random assortment of legislation.

    I mean, "Freedom of Speech" ... isn't that a little vague and nebulous? Same with "The Military" ... that seems to cover an awful lot. I'm surprised "time" and "humor" aren't in there, maybe they are.

    If you really think Title IX is something to be proud of or celebrate then you are an utter fool. It is a shameful law that ruins lives and protects nobody. Another piece of Obama crap that needs to be erased. Kind of ironic that "Right to Due Process" is on the list too - have you even read it yourself?! LOL

    If you want to take part in a discussion, please try to make sensible posts. A copy-paste of a list you found somewhere with "we did all that" is just drivel. I can't be bothered to go through arguing each item (which is of course the point of lists like that) but don't imagine that proves your point.

    The democrats are the part of the clan, slavery and segregation. Own it bitches.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    Hating religion is easy

    Being pragmatic and guarding against making sweeping blanket laws and restrictions takes more thought

    Many of you have traded your magical view of "jehovah" for a magical view of government. The government is not your friend, do not feed it. Laws are not your friend, laws should increase rights, not take them away. If you believe the government is some benevolent organization looking out for your actual welfare, I have a watchtower to sell you.

    Image result for those who would give up their rights in order to be secure

  • AbusedandPissed
    AbusedandPissed

    This was a narrowly written opinion. It did not come close to answering the question of if someone could do this on religious grounds. The court only found in this case that the board that initially ruled on this showed bias against the baker and that he was not able to receive a fair hearing.

    BTW the court did use a JW case in their decision.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    The market doesn't make an imposition on people, that is the government's job

    • Capitalism > Discrimination laws (more effective and aligned with culture)
    • Free speech will defeat bad speech
    • It's the baker's loss, not the gay couples

    Should a Jewish baker be forced to bake a cake with a swastika on it?

    Does a business have a right to discriminate based on its owner personal values? Do individuals who own businesses have a right to exercise their own judgment when doing business?

    Fight for maximum freedom and choice rather than authoritarian control and central planning.

  • Jehalapeno
    Jehalapeno

    I feel discrimination laws are important to have.

    A case like this was not discrimination as he was still willing to do business with the couple.

    His only "transgression" against the leftist ideology was being unwilling to participate artistically in an event/occasion he disagreed with.

    The reason he was willing to sell the cakes he had already made is that he made the cakes for his business, not for a specific occasion.

    NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO YOUR LABOR, REGARDLESS OF THEIR GROUP IDENTITY.

  • snugglebunny
    snugglebunny

    The religious aspect is irrelevant. Someone - for whatever reason - doesn't want to bake a celebration cake because he/she disagrees with the subject of the celebration. No big deal.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    The reason he was willing to sell the cakes he had already made is that he made the cakes for his business, not for a specific occasion.
    NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO YOUR LABOR, REGARDLESS OF THEIR GROUP IDENTITY.

    This

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Why is there labor laws in most modernized countries that penalizes businesses for acting in prejudice against someone of certain religious affiliation or sexual identity (gay) ???

  • Jehalapeno
    Jehalapeno
    Why is there labor laws in most modernized countries that penalizes businesses for acting in prejudice against someone of certain religious affiliation or sexual identity (gay)

    This wasn't acting in prejudice.

    The gay couple was attempting to infringe on the owner's rights to practice their religion.

  • Jehalapeno
    Jehalapeno
    Why is there labor laws in most modernized countries that penalizes businesses for acting in prejudice against someone of certain religious affiliation or sexual identity (gay) ???

    So, Fink, since religious affiliation is protected, your government would compel you to decorate a "GOD HATES GAYS" cake for the Westboro Baptist Church?

    Or, would you instead do like this owner and try to make another business accommodation without compromising your ethics?

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