Evolution OR Creation?

by Brummie 183 Replies latest members adult

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface
    Baby,
    What is that (A) ? Did you read me? I’m not gonna repeat (B) myself.
    Is that a promise????Please let it be a promise!

    (B) I promise (What have been said is said no reason for )... May I ask you to not play any kind of political game(1) with me !!! you seems to be good at that but you're not gonna mystified me ... Sorry for you cause I'm used to political talks (any level) and it doesn't work with me ! More you will (1) make it complicated, and more I will make it simple ... IT'S MY FAVORITE GAME SINCE ALWAYS (don't even know when it started) ... and to be clear about what I've said (A) means don't turn what I've said into something else ... Mr President, and please bring some Facts ...

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Baby,

    Gulp! Help!

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    frankispeakin

    They are incoherent to "you" they weren't incoherent to the original audience to whom they were address. We must remember the original audience. I think it was pretty self-explanatory in my statements.

    Your argument implies there was clear understanding of, say, the prohecies of Daniel, Jesus and John, when they were written.

    There was no such thing. There still IS no such thing. They are apparently meant to contain coded symbolic accounts of the future that would be understood in their due time.

    If parts of the Bible were meant to be understood in their due time and were not understood when they were written, your argument fails, and it raises the question WHY were the creation accounts not written in the same way?

    What greater evidence of divine authorship could you ask for than an account that would have been impossible for the writer to conceive, but when read with modern knowledge would be an explantion of the big bang, stellar and galactic formation, planetary formation and gravity and the development of life on Earth that matched modern scientific understanding?

    You also forget that you are placing the comprehension and belief of a few thousands or tens of thousands of Israelites as of greater importance than the comprehension and belief of billions of people today. You are forgetting that many of these people would allegedly have seen things that proved there was a god; a privelege that we don't have today. Why do they get all the breaks and billions of modern humans get none?

    I deliberately stayed away anything too precisely scientific (such as orbit durations etc.) in my faux-Genesis. They're not needed to give proof of divine authorship. I think that is why you've critiqued Alan's, but not mine - Alan F can flatten me with his level of knowledge about evolution and many other areas, but I think I'm better at faking (or collating) creation accounts! (sorry Alan F )

    I think my one illustrates the point very well, and I think its language and symbology would not render it useless to the original target audience, whilst giving clear indication of inspiration to a modern one.

    So, you say it seems silly because it was written for Bronze Age patoralists, and that a account that would not be silly to us would be useless to them. I feel I've refuted that statement and look forward to your rebuttal.

    I was looking forward to mattkoo's rebutall, but I have a feeling mattkoo bit of more than he could chew... yet another hit-and-run igevoltuionist who assures us evolution is wrong, has every piece of cut and paste counter evolutionary argument shot from underneath them, and doesn't have the courtesy to even respond.

    I think you have made a mistake in the way you've handled frenchbabyface frankie... and you were warned about it too, so you'll get no help from me...

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    To frankiespeakin :

    What can I say ?
    Ok there it is : You are not in danger Man so ... help yourself !!!

  • Brummie
    Brummie
    and you were warned about it too, so you'll get no help from me...

    Its unfortunate that you cut him off, I was enjoying the conversation you were having.

  • arancia
    arancia

    In the begining life was to be easy,why don`t you live it as such? anyway,no one will ever come to solve it.I personally belive in God as the creator,full stop.

  • arancia
    arancia

    .In every aspect the monky always remain as such.Too many things does not fill the space between,it and the human.all speculations but not foundations.I personally do not put myself next to it .I AM HUMAN<AND I ALWAYS WILL BE>.I do not have any connection with THEM.For the scientist,they are doing their job.They too have to fill their time,not always with success.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Brummie old chap, may I pass you the right end of the stick?

    I'm more than happy to carry on talking to frankiespeakin, I was just pointing out him he only has himself to blame for treating frenchbabyface in what I though was a dismissive attitude (and it obviously annoyed her too), and that he can extracate himself from that situation as he was given fair warning. A woman scorned is a walk in the park compared to an intelligent women treated dismissively. I'd rather mess with a rabid elephant. Sorry if I didn't make my meaning clear.

    arancia

    It's nice for you to share your opinion with us, but as it is just an opinion all I can say in response is I am glad you are free to have one of your own. Whether your opinion really is your own, or what you got passed to you as a result of who you are and where you were born, or whether it is the result of long and hard study and consideration only you can answer.

  • link
    link

    The medical profession in the U.K. have recently discovered absolute proof of evolution.

    Babies here are now being born with an enormous thumb on one hand, one arm bent up at the elbow and one ear flattened against the side of the head.

    They put this down to the length of time the parents have spent sending text messages and talking on their mobiles.

    link

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Abbadon,

    Your argument implies there was clear understanding of, say, the prohecies of Daniel, Jesus and John, when they were written.

    No, that is not what my argument implies.(As a side point I will say this; In understanding prophecy some are not ment to be understood right away and some are), and as far as the point I am making it has nothing to do with the "primeval" history in the first 11 chapters of Genesis.

    There was no such thing. There still IS no such thing. They are apparently meant to contain coded symbolic accounts of the future that would be understood in their due time. If parts of the Bible were meant to be understood in their due time and were not understood when they were written, your argument fails, and it raises the question WHY were the creation accounts not written in the same way?

    "Why were the creation accounts not written the same way?" It's obvious, different purposes, different intent, utilize different genre, to fit the different intent and purposes. You want to oversimplify everything, which is illogical, and leads to illogical conclusions.

    What greater evidence of divine authorship could you ask for than an account that would have been impossible for the writer to conceive, but when read with modern knowledge would be an explantion of the big bang, stellar and galactic formation, planetary formation and gravity and the development of life on Earth that matched modern scientific understanding?

    The primary focus of the Genesis account of creation

    , is not provide proof of divine authorship, it's a preamble to the law contract. The Genesis account, most beautifully and clearly in poetic, story, genre, lets us know who this God of Abraham really is, it exults him above everything, it is meant to reveal "status". It clearly defines, "status". The Israelites were entering into a contract with him and needed to know clearly the greatness of God, that he was the creator of everything, this is what Genesis the first chapter accomplishes magnificently.

    You also forget that you are placing the comprehension and belief of a few thousands or tens of thousands of Israelites as of greater importance than the comprehension and belief of billions of people today. You are forgetting that many of these people would allegedly have seen things that proved there was a god; a privelege that we don't have today. Why do they get all the breaks and billions of modern humans get none?

    Why did they get all the breaks? Just lucky I guess. Actually they had a rough road ahead of them, they were previously polytheistic, they need all the help they can get, to get it through their thick heads, just how exalted Yahweh really is. They repeatedly fell back false worship, the polytheistic world around them, which had previously formed their own concepts would continue to make inroads and cause them problems in their relationship with Yahweh, which required exclusive devotion, and allowed for no other worship to be given false gods.

    I deliberately stayed away anything too precisely scientific (such as orbit durations etc.) in my faux-Genesis. They're not needed to give proof of divine authorship. I think that is why you've critiqued Alan's, but not mine - Alan F can flatten me with his level of knowledge about evolution and many other areas, but I think I'm better at faking (or collating) creation accounts!

    I thought from your post 9/24/ 08:44 you didn't want me to critique it, or that it wasn't nessarry.

    I think you have made a mistake in the way you've handled frenchbabyface frankie... and you were warned about it too, so you'll get no help from me...

    Well fbabyf and I will probably, get a long in the future who knows, time will tell.

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