Darn I'm glad I began this thread as its opened up anther can of worms to eat at my brains..
This is a continuation of a discussion I have had with Alanf and others from here, a discussion that was very productive for me if no one else. I thought I'd throw it open to get a broader input.
i believe in the migration of aliens who have geneticaly engineered earth species,or lesser alien life forms and brought them to earth. thats just as good as evolution
.Pd, at this point I cant see how that is as good as evolution. That is more like science fiction than science, sience supports the facts of evolution, it is the theory of evolution that is not necassarily scientific (though could be). Aliens engineering doesnt have any facts associated with it. Evolution does. (I only just found out so I am merely a beginner).
Well, given that the bible which claims to be gods word claims that everything was created, I think that evolution kicks the props our from under gods feet
. Maybe? I havent seen where evolution says everything wasnt created? Evolution doesnt kick the props from out under Gods feet. That was my point in the first post. I just found out that evolution
fact doesnt argue for or against creation, it merely discusses the middle bits. So scientifically whether there is a God or not is open to interpretation, there is no evolutionary
fact denying a creator. So when people accuse creationist of denying the evolutionary f
act that there is not a creator, its at best straw man, since it isnt an evolutionary
fact.
This is why creationists fail to acknowledge the evidence of evolution and defend creation in spite of the facts
From what I have seen, most creationist accept evolutionary facts, they argue on the theory. Its quite a different story .
If god is a lifeform, then faith does not explain the "origins of life". It attempts to explain the origins of angelic life (depending on the "faith") or human life. Tell me how god got here, and then we have something to discuss.
Faith says God has no beginning,
fact says says humans are limited and cannot totally comprehend eternity, if God is eternal you cannot totally understand, that doesnt make it untrue or true. Believers have a theory same as evolution does. But we can discuss evolutions theory but not the theory that life
on earth was created by a higher source? Life began on earth, thats a fact. There is design all around us, thats a fact. Onac, I am mostly with your thoughts at this point. Patio, that is an excellent post too.
I think (not believe) that evolution is the model which more closely fits with the facts. There are several keys of this for me. I don't like to use the term "believe" because it seems religious, and i'm certainly willing to change if contrary evidence is presented. "Believe" seems to shut out new information.
Very interesting distinction. Not to mention how the other points you have made have now got my worn brain rolling...i'll get back to them Oops, got to go to work. catch ya later Thanks everyone. I'm only discussing it, nothing I am saying is dogmatic, I'm a newbie to this. Brummie
