Do You Believe In A “Deep State”?

by minimus 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • LoveUniHateExams

    And this website continues to inch ever closer to QAnon territory - er, no.

    This site allows posters to think clearly, pose questions and debate issues.

    If the concept of a supposed 'deep state' is a load of baloney, then show it to be so in your post, rather than ripping on this site. Thank you.

  • minimus

    Love, well said.

  • MeanMrMustard

    I am one of the more vocal Trump supporters on this site. But I have no idea what QAnon believes. They only enter my mind when someone on the left claims QAnon believes <insert some belief here>, which they then mock. Well, ok. Whatever.

  • millie210

    Bringing up QAnon is an attempt to use the most radical side of an argument to make a point against reasonableness.

    It really only works if the same logic is applied to both sides of the argument.

    So pants on the ground looters and smashing the stores of your elderly neighbors and ruining their small family businesses, Democratic deep state infiltration. a free censored media and press - all of these are real so why not bring them up if one is trying to reasonably assume a QAnon as a conter argument?

    I always see a flashing red light when somebody throughs a word bomb (like QAnon) and then runs.

  • minimus

    Ask any Trump supporter about Q and I would say 99% would have no idea what you are talking about.

  • MeanMrMustard

    The first time I heard “Trump agrees with Q”, I thought the news was accusing Trump of being in league with the omnipotent villain from Star Trek the Next Generation. I mean, given the news, it didn’t seem too strange they might be claiming something like that.

    I still don’t know much more about it..

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    QAnon is a load of trolls, they make up weird stories initially started to parody cookie Reddit conspiracy channels They are as much a white supremacy group than the Proud Boys who have a mixed Black-Cuban leader that held an anti-Domestic Terrorism rally when Democrat Party rallies brutally attacked a journalist.

    If you seriously think that QAnon or Proud Boys are white supremacists, when their leadership are clearly black men then you seriously need to check your sources for bias.

    Look up the origins of QAnon, the conspiracy about QAnon being real is when Media Matters (a DNC pressure group that blackmails businesses to suspend advertising on media that is not extreme left and subsequently campaigns on Twitter to cancel them if they don’t pay) amplified a totally unverified story on Twitter about a deep state Q-person in the Trump admin. Off course QAnon amplified this exposure even more and it became a meme which the media still don’t understand is a troll. Moreover, the originate of the Q meme was most likely a left-wing Hispanic-mixed disabled person.

  • Anna Marina
    Anna Marina

    George Orwell's 1984 was to be called 1948 but he and/or his publishers felt that would panic the readers. What he was saying would sound too close to home.

    The British Broadcasting Corporation was Orwell's Ministry of Truth. The one in charge of everything was Big Brother. Big Brother used the Ministry of Truth to make people believe:-

    “War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.”

    "In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense."

    In UK the British Broadcasting Corporation gave us both Childline (a phone line for vulnerable children) and Jimmy Saville (a notorious pervert and child predator).

    From Wikipedia

    A significant part of Savile's career and public life involved working with children and young people, including visiting schools and hospital wards. He spent 20 years from 1964 presenting Top of the Pops before a teenage audience, and an overlapping 20 years presenting Jim'll Fix It, in which he helped the wishes of viewers, mainly children, come true. During his lifetime, two police investigations considered reports about Savile, the earliest known being in 1958, but none had led to charges; the reports had each concluded that there was insufficient evidence for any charges to be brought related to sexual offences. In October 2012 it was announced that the Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer, would investigate why proceedings against Savile in 2009 were dropped.

    Jimmy Savile's autobiography, As It Happens (1974) contains multiple admissions of criminal behaviour, apparently without Savile's self-incrimination being noticed. He would joke to the press when they phoned him "She told me she was over 16." Press investigations dating back to at least 1973 did not lead to the publication of any direct accusations being made against Savile, though rumours persisted and were intermittently mentioned in the print media for many years.

  • Anna Marina
    Anna Marina
    I have just read that Jimmy Savile's close associate the Yorkshire Ripper has died. There are reports that the Yorkshire Ripper studied with Watchtower publishers.
  • minimus

    Anna, what does this have to do with the deep state ?

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