Were the apostles of the 'Anointed class' when they partook?

by why144000 26 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Crazyguy

    All who believe are part of the body of Christ all that do the will of god are sons of god. There is no two classes just the Jews then later the gentiles.

  • waton

    Crazyguy, in the OP, "why144000" chose to uses this wt terminology, and he has been silent since.

    when taking apart wt doctrine, it is useful to use their wording, and the bible is full of classifications,

    Perhaps "why144000" in a class act , has classified himself to be sealed? our's is not to reason why, but carry on and to die.

  • waton

    @ Cg: if "Christian" means Anointed, as with spirit, which in those days was done in spectacular fashion, (doves, flames, glossolalia), the disciples at the last supper were not Christians, or anointed.- yet.

    using that criteria, it would be wrong to demand that one has to be anointed, or sealed, to be allowed to partake.

  • eyeuse2badub

    Also, I don't recall Jesus inviting any 'respectful observers' to watch as he and the apostles passed and partook of the bread and wine! What scriptures contain that account?

    just saying!

  • blondie

    Actually, in 1935 the year the WTS really pushed the idea of the great crowd not having a secondary heavenly calling, so only anointed were invited to the memorial. It wasn't until 1938 that the WTS officially invited the GC to the memorial.

    *** jv chap. 16 p. 243 Meetings for Worship, Instruction, and Encouragement ***

    Particularly beginning in the 1930’s, prospective members of the “great multitude,” or “great crowd” of other sheep, began to manifest themselves. (Rev. 7:9, 10, KJ; John 10:16) These were at that time referred to as Jonadabs. For the first time, in its issue of February 15, 1938, The Watchtower specifically invited them to be present at the Memorial, saying: “After six p.m. on April 15 let each company of the anointed assemble and celebrate the Memorial, their companions the Jonadabs also being present.” They did attend, not as partakers, but as observers.

  • waton

    Eyeuse2badub, blondi, thank you for touching that issue.

    Is it not true, that at Catholic Mass and protestant services not everyone partakes? so, by itself having observers only is not unusual. What makes wt unique is, that they proscribe baptised and confirmed members from partaking. happens among Catholics only to the excommunicated.

    Wt treats the "Other Sheep" like main stream Christianity deals with the excommunicated.

  • Finkelstein

    Good point waton

  • Aroq

    Judas WAS a partaker! He was there and Jesus handed Judas the bread. Matthew 26:20-29, Mark 14:17-25 and John 13:21-30.....especially verse 30.

    30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

    Each account is a description of the Lord's supper and the prediction of who would betray Jesus.

    So was Judas anointed? or of the Great crowd?

    Neither! Luke 22:3 "3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

    This was prior to the Lord's supper, but he still partook.

  • waton
    This was prior to the Lord's supper, but he still partook.

    Aroq: --which proves that partaking, and potentially aspiring to become part of the anointed does not guarantee a good outcome, or gives you a sterling personality. Judas never became one of the anointed nor of the GC.

    Nobody of that first century non-overlapping generation could be part of the Great Crowd, which comes "out of the Great Tribulation" that is scheduled to happen " in the Lord's day", not later than 2075. Judas too had an earthly hope, squirreled away money to be comfortable when it was supposed to happen,-- in his lifetime.

  • vienne

    I'm not a Witness; I just write books about them. However, my understanding of Witness doctrine is that "the last supper," was the last valid Passover, hence an obligatory celebration for all Jews and converts. Subsequent celebrations were Christian communions, or using Witness vocabulary, the Lord's memorial supper. The Lord's supper has a cognate but separate meaning than the Passover.

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