by benny 79 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Oh I understand that Finkelstein, I'm just wondering how the defense of 607 will hold up when the society changes its understanding of the weeks and 1914 and all that.
Time continues to move on, It will be interesting to see how they wiggle out of that one.
Scholar said
Archaeology does not account for the 70 years period and neither does secular chronology.
Of course not! Why on earth should archaeology or scientific dating show evidence for literary myth. How could it? Clue: the cart follows the horse.
There is only one type of chronology at an academic level, there is no such thing as a "Bible chronology" vs a secular one, that is ridiculous. "Bible chronology" is Watchtower jargon used to allow themselves to depart from fact in attempting to prop up their theories.
Then scholar goes on to tell an untruth that Daniel provides the basis for the events of 539 BCE and that therefore his other writings are not myth. This is doubly wrong; a wrong conclusion drawn from a faulty statement. It was not the writer of the book of Daniel who determined 539 it was historians using reliable texts which determined the date. Just like Nebuchadnezzar's siege of Jerusalem in 589 BCE which included the temple destruction by 587 (but depending on which ancient calendar you use to interpret the text -- it could be 586)
'Daniel', not his real name, was a story teller drawing on the events of four centuries before his time, around the middle third of the second century BCE. It was written in an apocalyptic manner to give hope to his compatriots during their prevailing troubles as they were divided Jewish sects suffering from the whims of their Seleucid rulers.
Please learn to distinguish between facts and religious spin.
There is no point in discussing with someone who believes historical fiction as if were truth.
the book is hardly mythology
Some truths mixed in with some BS
You see the ancients did a lot of BSing particularly to their god(s)
Do they have to prove it?
first rule of propaganda... keep it simple , repeat it often. Let’s face it, the world doesn’t care what they say and the dubs won’t question it .... so just carry on and on .
NB lots of good stuff archived on this board under “ Best Of Topics” ... hours of really good info.
https://www.kristenfrihet.se/english/epage.ht
That is Carl Olof Johnssons site, it is in multiple languages and without a doubt the most outstanding single place to go for research on the 607 debacle. It has the entire Gentile Times Reconsidered pdf version for free as well.
I just stopped in to say 'hi' to scholar... Hi! scholar. Long time, no see
I no longer care about 607 vs 587, but y'all carry on...
The WTS actions of dating 1914 via the supposed date for Jerusalem's destruction of 607 or 586 is a sin in itself according to Jesus .
Jesus condemned his true faithful followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time.
He also instructed his followers to not listen to men or Prophets who say things he didn't give them to say.
The rightful and intellectually honest explanation to why the JWS are wrong about 607 BCE and 586 is right is because the ancient Hebrews in Jerusalem were forced to be a vassal to Nebuchadnezzar in 605 BCE, the year he started to rule over Babylon from his father and he placed kings in succession in Jerusalem the following years. Zedekiah was the last king who refuted Nebuchadnezzar vassalage so Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem including the temple in 586 BCE his 19th year of rule, the bible even states that. So Daniel's prophesy is allegorical or perhaps metaphorical and its not surprising since the number 7 is the sacred number of their god in their mythological expressions. So the actual length of time the Hebrews were held captive in Babylon after the destruction of Jerusalem was approximately 48 years not 70.
I found this many moons ago on here.......
Was
Jerusalem
destroyed in 607 BCE or 587 BCE?
"There are only 5 Babylonian kings to deal with. It isn't hard. You don't
need to bother with VAT 4956, Josephus, Ptolemy, Anstey, Bullinger, etc. etc.
Just go by the actual kings, whose names and regnal lengths are known from tens
of thousands of cuneiform tablets from many different towns and villages all
over southern Mesopotamia. It is so simple a
child could do it.
Starting with Nabonidus, the last Babylonian king, and working backward.
Babylon falls to Cyrus the Persia -- 539 BCE (Date accepted by WT CD ROM 2001)
Nabonidus -- 17 years (WT agrees) For long periods he entrusted rule to his
son, Prince Belshazzar
Labashi-Marduk -- 3 months (WT says less than 9 months)
Neriglissar -- 4 years (WT in agreement)
Evil-Merodach -- 2 years (WT in agreement
Nebuchadnezzar -- 43 years (In the 19th year of his reign he destroyed
Jerusalem)
WT 1965 1/1 p. 29 The Rejoicing of the Wicked Is Short-lived
Evil-merodach reigned two years and was murdered by his brother-in-law
Neriglissar, who reigned for four years, which time he spent mainly in building
operations. His underage sonLabashi-Marduk, a vicious boy, succeeded him, and
was assassinated within nine months. Nabonidus, who had served as governor of Babylon and who had been Nebuchadnezzar’s favorite
son-in-law, took the throne and had a fairly glorious reign until Babylon fell in 539 B.C.E.
Nabonidus -- 17 years
17 = 539 BCE
16 = 540
15 = 541
14 = 542
13 = 543
12 = 544
11 = 545
10 = 546
9 = 547
8 = 548
7 = 549
6 = 550
5 = 551
4 = 552
3 = 553
2 = 554
1 = 555
0 = accession year = 556
Labashi-Marduk -- less than a year
3 months in 556
Neriglissar -- 4 years
4 = 556
3 = 557
2 = 558
1 = 559
0 = accession year = 560
Evil-Merodach -- 2 years
2 = 560
1 = 561
0 = accession year = 562
Nebuchadnezzar -- 43 years
43 = 562 BCE
42 = 563
41 = 564
40 = 565
39 = 566
38 = 567
37 = 568
36 = 569
35 = 570
34 = 571
33 = 572
32 = 573
31 = 574
30 = 575
29 = 576
28 = 577
27 = 578
26 = 579
25 = 580
24 = 581
23 = 582
22 = 583
21 = 584
20 = 585
19 = 586 BCE
18 = 587 BCE
And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, which is the
nineteenth year of king Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan,
captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, unto Jerusalem: And he
burnt the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all the houses of
Jerusalem, and every great man's house burnt he with fire. 2Ki 25:8 ,9
So Jerusalem
was destroyed in 586/587 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar.
Marked for Babylonian time line.
