607 date of Jerusalems destruction

by benny 79 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • zeb

    Beth Sarim re "The gentile Times reconsidered" x Jonsson.

    This work goes into the days of years thing and to me also shows just how the gb treats anyone who shows up the party line to be false.

  • Earnest

    scholar : For starters, such scholarship cannot decide on the precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem whether it is 586 or [587] BCE even though COJ prefers 587 but Thiele proposes 586. Big problem here don't you think?

    Welcome back, scholar. I hope in your absence you have successfully completed your university studies. While I am sure you have much to contribute I think it a bit disingenuous to raise the 586/587 query again when it was answered by Alleymom here.

    She said, regarding 586 v 587 :

    A discrepancy of (+ or -) one year for any date in the ANE chronology can be accounted for on the basis of Nisan-Nisan v. Tishri-Tishri dating and accession-year v. non-accession year dating. I am sure you ["scholar"] know this from Thiele. In one of the other threads I offered to send a pdf file of Alberto Green's article on two minor discrepancies in the chronology. Several people emailed me and asked for the article. You didn't.

    Since I prefer to take the KISS approach in this thread, here is a KISS answer to 586 v. 587:

    *** it-2 p. 481 Nebuchadnezzar

    Finally, in 607 B.C.E., on Tammuz (June-July) 9 in the 11th year of Zedekiah’s reign (Nebuchadnezzar’s 19th year if counting from his accession year or his 18th regnal year), a breach was made in Jerusalem’s wall.

    So if you want the technical answer to 586 v. 587 read the corpus of scholarly literature. If you are happy with a KISS approach, take the WT's own word for it that it was either in Nebuchadnezzar's 18th or 19th regnal year, depending on how you count.

  • Finkelstein


    It is incorrect to say that WTS does not have academically trained Bible scholars for the are many such persons in different parts of the world including yours truly.

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  • Finkelstein

    So scholar holding up the sinning apostate doctrines from some corrupt religoius charlatans operating their own publishing house makes them and you high level bible scholars then ?

    In fact, a study of Theology also confirms many of the basic views of those early Bible Students with the exception of Pyramidology which can be traced to scholarship which existed in Christendom at that time and embraced by those Bible Students which points to the slow emergence of centuries of Darkness.

    If they were true bible scholars such as yourself they would then know of Jesus's words of admonishment for true faithful followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time and that he himself doesn't even know of the time.

    False charlatans $$$ who are unloyal and disobedient to God doesn't make a true bible scholar , it makes these people anti-Christs .

    Jesus's instructions to not listen to these ones who say things he didn't give them to say makes further proof that the WTS's so called bible scholars are nothing more than corrupt sinning liars, such as yourself.

  • nowwhat?

    Here's the bottom line: where does it say this has a greater fulfillment in our time? And why is this the only so called prophecy where its ok to use numerology interpret it?

  • Finkelstein

    One fact that is true is that the pseudo bible scholars such the people who started and ran the WTS. who sold their false doctrines into literature, were able to do so unencumbered by the secular government to where they lived and operated, which is the real reason they did so

    That's the freedom of religion folks take it or leave it right scholar ?

  • lastmanstanding

    The 607 date is FACT.

    Here is another FACT based on that FACT.

    Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

    "If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy [see 607] indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

    .oh...one more FACT, yesterday was 607 2019

    in case nobody noticed that this thread appeared on June 7

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Ah yes! it was Furuli's attempt to square the circle that I was reading.

    Here is Wikipedia on JW Rolf Furuli who is an emeritus professor of Semitic languages:

    In a 2004 issue of Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, Lester L. Grabbe, professor of Hebrew Bible and Early Judaism at the University of Hull, said of Furuli's study: "Once again we have an amateur who wants to rewrite scholarship. ... F. shows little evidence of having put his theories to the test with specialists in Mesopotamian astronomy and Persian history."[5]

    Significantly and in the true spirit of The Watchtower, Furuli's work on dating of the Babylonian period is not peer reviewed-- BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT STAND UP TO SCRUTINY.

    This does not stop unscrupulous people like the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses from quoting their man as if his is the definitive word on the subject.

    Furuli, just like 'Scholar,' is stuck in a cult and can't see it.

  • Bobcat

    The difference between 587 and 586 bce is explained in this Wikipedia article (especially footnote # 2). It does not have anything to do with the chronology that leads up to the start of the Babylonian siege.

    Trying to use the question of 587 or 586 as a basis for throwing doubt on an entire established chronology is a form of grasping at straws.

    This post (from another site) also shows how non-WT dating gives greater insight into a few other things in the Bible. The WT has traded away better understanding in order to have a chronology that ostensibly supports their supposed place in history.

  • Finkelstein

    The false doctrines to which the leaders of the WTS/JWS created cultivated power and money unto themselves through the literature they published and sold to the public, that's another indefensible fact,

    Their endeavors placed themselves with other false prophet charlatans $$$ going as far back as the 19th century right up to this day.

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