by wifibandit 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
WTF was that schpeel about FWF not knowing when he was baptized? (starts about 7:00 in) Here is the supposed brainiac of the WTS and he doesn't even remember if he was bapped in November of 1913 or April 1914? Then they say he was in his 70s when they asked him so he just "accepted" that it was in 1914??
Not that it really means a shit in the real world, but here these dipshits are tying their entire theology onto this clown and don't even know when "this generation" started??
When he talks about some speculating that a 40+ year old anointed in say 1990 could well live into his 80’s he says, “Does that mean that this old system could continue until 2040?” He continues on saying that the Bible and Jesus make no mention that the 2nd group of anointed brothers have to be “old, decrepit or near death.” He says that the prophecy makes no reference to age.
WT 2014 1/15 p. 31 par. 16 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When?
16 The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the first group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth. Thus, not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” of whom Jesus spoke. Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13.
So the video categorically states that the prophecy makes no reference to age, and then they make reference to age in the above magazine.
The WTS is trying to emphasize that the second group are generally quite elderly “advanced in years” today, in fact right now, no need to wait for 2040. In so doing; this should stress the nearness of Armageddon now since those in the 2nd group are already old. But remember “there’s no reference to age.”
Lame and embarrassing video indeed.
Good catch Baldeagle!
How long before this ludicrous, contemptible, utterly self-serving lie of a doctrine morphs yet again?
I bet it won't be long given the basically zero growth reported in the latest annual report.
You can only insult and abuse the intelligence of members of your private club for so long before they walk away.
This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13. (bald eagle)
When the word "destroy" is used by wt, it must refer to Armageddon? just as the "end" prophecy by Jesu was about the destruction of the temple, Jerusalem? so here:
The wt prophecy of the overlapping anointed group says that all anointed will pass away, be raptured before Armageddon. , whereas Jesus said "will not pass away--" before the destruction of Jerusalem, will survive because of fleeing (refugees already then) -- , some lived 30 + years past that passing away . what would we do without the Revelation, written in 100 CE? and:
D. Splaine mentioning the unknown anointed, here is a well known, George Gangas, serving in 1914 as an 18 year old , died in 1996. an imaginary overlapper G Gangas the II, with a similar record would take the second group past 2075, so, what is a hundert years between friends? when it comes to the end of the word? if you are wrong once, it is so easy to do it again.
Baldeagle - When he talks about some speculating that a 40+ year old anointed in say 1990 could well live into his 80’s he says, “Does that mean that this old system could continue until 2040?” He continues on saying that the Bible and Jesus make no mention that the 2nd group of anointed brothers have to be “old, decrepit or near death.” He says that the prophecy makes no reference to age.
What is crazy about this is he tells these ones that they shouldn't be speculating because just two versus later Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour.
He particularly says "remember Jesus said we weren't supposed to find a formula of the time of the end (big frown) ...and even if that speculation is a remote possibility there would be very few in that category...it could reach it's culmination this year to be absolutely accurate, not all of the second group would have passed away..."
He condemns the GB by saying we aren't supposed to come up with a time line but once again their interpretation does that very thing.
No wonder he was nervous about his talk. It would seem that his brief was to make it sound like Armageddon could likely occur very shortly but he stuffed up big time.
He also states that Freddie made a note in one of the publications that he was 'baptised into Jesus' death on Nov. 1913. This sounds like a very different type of baptism than what is now practised.
If Freddie kept notes such as the one found in the suitcase and having lived so long, I'd say he would've needed much more than an old suitcase, even a trunk, more like a sea container.
he was 'baptised into Jesus' death on Nov. 1913. This sounds like a very different type of baptism than what is now practised. listener
hear hear! now baptised in recognition of Jehovah's Spirit Directed Organisation, and,-- prior to to 1933, Baptism also meant anointing (except the 120)'
added PS: Quivelling about a few months difference of anointing date, (who remember their date of baptism), when the event speculated about is imaginary and decades away.
I agree Jook, the pathetic squirming in attempting to correct their earlier fraud is at odds with the transparency and directness of modern media.
Their nineteenth century religious doctrines and authority will wither and die under the scrutiny of the information age.
Jesus was NOT talking to ANOINTED people when he said these words. Asshole!
No one was anointed until after his death. He was talking to the "other sheep" version of his disciples at the time he spoke these words. Remember, John the Baptizer was of the "other sheep" just like the rest of the monkeys were until the "outpouring of the holy spirit" at Pentecost 33.
Their BS is really stretched.
Jesus was NOT talking to ANOINTED people when he said these words. Asshole!
02:05 - "Who was he talking to? He was still talking to his disciples. So the WT made clear it was not the wicked, it was the anointed who saw the sign that would make up This Generation."
No wonder he was so nervous, trying to sneak this through!
Bad helper!
