Has a 'Christian' ever murdered somebody?

by goddidit 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • fulltimestudent

    The 'thought' behind the question is likely founded on the idea that once a 'Christian' commits a crime, he/she is no longer a Christian. (A JW branded Christian or any other brand of Christian), but the question becomes more complicated when we consider that a "Christian" theoretically is a transformed personality.

    So if the person with the transformed personality commits a murder (an illegal, premeditated killing), what's happened to the transformed personality

    Another thought on the question. Is there a difference between 'murder' and 'killing'?

    I think everyone gets that difference. So since (in theological concepts) YHWH is the giver of life, he therefore has the right to take life. Many of us would not buy that idea, but its implicit in the stoning scenario of Deuteronomy 17 (and. I've heard elders explaining that a disfellowshipping is like that ), and also in the genocidal invasion of other people's homelands committed in the mythical Jewish invasion of the promised land. But since, YHWH has the right to take life, the stone throwers and the Jewish soldiers with swords killing babies are not murderers or killers, but executioners.

    Semantics of course, but part of the reason I was disfellowshipped.

  • Finkelstein

    There have been millions murdered by baptized recognized Christians all throughout human history.

    ......and another


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  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim
    These examples go to show that most JW's only believe what they want to believe most of the time.
  • Hoffnung

    Roughly 5 years ago a brother got stabbed to death by another brother in a kingdom hall in Germany. the congregation is close to bethel, and at least one bethelite was present at the occurrence. The killer committed suicide the same day

  • exjwlemming
    Is suicide considered "self murder?" If so, there are many that have killed themselves....even at God's House, Bethel.
  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim
    yes. suicide is considered ''self murder''. There are accounts of ''attempted suicides'' which failed. Then subject to a JC with a possible disfellowshipping. What a loving arrangement for severe depression!!!!
  • OrphanCrow

    This website has many murders documented that were committed by JWs - some in good standing and some were not.


    There are 5 pages of crimes to wade through and many are murders...especially murder/suicide incidents.

    And another list of crimes (another 5 pages) by JWs against others not of the JW faith


  • Sabin
    Watch the Deadly Devotion series. In Canada, Baptized JW shot his wife in front of her children then shot the children. Man it is a heart wrenching true story.
  • GLTirebiter

    It's a case of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. If he puts sugar on his porridge, he is not A True Scotsman. If a JW murders, he was not A True Christian.

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