Should I Convert to Become a MORMON??

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  • Latte
    Latte

    Just thought I’d share with you. Any tips on dealing with them would be greatly appreciated…..thanks!

    Yesterday, I had two lovely young men at my door - they were Mormons. It was a very hot day, so I invited them in as the conversation progressed. Cool drinks were the order of the day!

    What struck me about them, was the many similarities to the Pioneer friends I’d known in the ‘troof’

    They were incredibly polite, and their message was very well put over, they came across as quite genuine, which was very refreshing. They were aged about 20 ish.

    Due to my JW history I thought that I would indulge them a little…………anyhow they prayed over/for/ them/me (lol) at the beginning of our discussion , and also at the end of the discussion . (prayer was definitely for me this time!! Lol)

    They kindly left the book of Mormon with me…no study books like the dubs would of done just their equivalent to Gods Word, simple. They told me about their meeting’s of which there is only ONE a week, and for 2/3 of the meeting the children are kept busy doing kiddies activities which I thought was good too!! Far better than the dubs on that one!

    They made an arrangement to call back after emphasising the need to pray whilst reading their book of Mormon. I had told them previously that I prefer to keep the airways free for those that really need it (like the abused children etc) Anyhow, I will now have to look up what the INTERNET has to say about Mormons and get the full picture eh??

    Their final goodbye helped me decided that no….I don’t think that being a Mormon is for me, they pointed out that their names are ELDER…….so’n’so Urrgh!!!!

    They were nice young men, and on a day where I felt quite low, they were pleasant, which was nice. I particularly warmed to them when they told me that they DO NOT cut off ties with former members. One told me of a relative who had left the faith, and he couldn’t wait to see him again to continue their friendship. Now that is nice! I will have to really check that one out!

    No, I am not ready to convert, just ready to try and make sure that these guys are fully informed. They have arranged to come back this Friday…..pray for me you guys!! lol

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    I have Mormon's (LDS) call on me regularly, where I indulge them in a little discussion.

    They DO shun former members (maybe he was looking forward to seeing them in one of their three heavens), and usually swiftly move on to demanding that you believe that Joseph Smith was the "one true prophet", so that they can establish their "holy books" (plural).

    They believe that the "Father" once walked around in a physical body, that they should be baptised multiple times, as a proxy for dead family relatives, and that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three gods which is what they may too become if they work hard enough.

    There are a lot of parallels with the JW mindset, but they have plenty of their own alternative wackiness.

    Nice bunch of clean-cut guys, though, in a borg-like way.

  • Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.
    Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

    Latte - I have consulted several dictionaries, and moron is only spelt with one letter m, so I figure your subject must contain a spelling error. Otherwise, you could only be a mor(m)on to even consider such a possibility.

    cheeses - who means no offense to latte - it was just too good to pass up.

  • Alleymom
    Alleymom

    www.utlm.org has a lot of info.

    They kindly left the book of Mormon with me

    You could go through the first few books, starting with 1 Nephi, and highlight the parts which appear to be taken from the KJV Bible. The KJV English translation was published in 1611, so these exact phrases shouldn't appear in a book which was supposedly written between 600 BC and 33 AD. Then show them the highlighted passages and ask them to explain.

    Mark Twain said that the Book of Mormon "seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament. The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James's translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel—half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity." (Roughing It, by Mark Twain, page 110)
    (from Utah Lighthouse Ministries)

    KJV: That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you (1 John 1:3)
    BM: to declare unto them concerning the things which he had both seen and heard (1 Nephi 1:18)

    KJV: stedfast, unmoveable (1 Corinthians 15:58)
    BM: steadfast, and immovable (1 Nephi 2:10)

    KJV: being grieved for the hardness of their hearts (Mark 3:5)
    BM: being grieved because of the hardness of their hearts (1 Nephi 2:18)

    KJV: that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not (John 11:50)
    BM: that one man should perish than that a nation should...perish in unbelief (1 Nephi 4:13)

    KJV: people and kindreds and tongues (Revelation 11:9)
    BM: kindreds, tongues, and people (1 Nephi 5:18)

    KJV: they are not of the world (John 17:14)
    BM: who are not of the world (1 Nephi 6:5)

    KJV: the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world (John 1:29)
    BM: the Lamb of God, who should take away the sins of the world (1 Nephi 10:10)

    KJV: through the power of the Holy Ghost (Romans 15:13)
    BM: by the power of the Holy Ghost (1 Nephi 10:17)

    KJV: of them that diligently seek him (Hebrews 11:6)
    BM: all those who diligently seek him (1 Nephi 10:17)

    KJV: the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever (Hebrews 13:8)

    BM: the same yesterday, today, and forever (1 Nephi 10:18)

    KJV: he that seeketh findeth (Luke 11:10)
    BM: he that...seeketh shall find (1 Nephi 10:19)

    KJV: bare record that this is the Son of God (John 1:34)
    BM: bear record that it is the Son of God (1 Nephi 11:7)

    KJV: the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts (Romans 5:5)
    BM: the love of God, which sheddeth itself abroad in the hearts of the children of men (1 Nephi 11:22)

    KJV: the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Luke 3:22)
    BM: the Holy Ghost come down out of heaven and abide upon him in the form of a dove (1 Nephi 11:27)

    KJV: heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man (John 1:51)
    BM: heavens open again, and I saw angels descending upon the children of men (1 Nephi 11:30)

    KJV: all sick people that were taken with divers diseases...and those which were possessed with devils Matthew 4:24)
    BM: who were sick, and who were afflicted with all manner of diseases, and with devils (1 Nephi 11:31)

    KJV: wars and rumours of wars (Matthew 24:6)
    BM: wars, and rumors of wars (1 Nephi 12:2)

    KJV: the earth did quake, and the rocks rent (Matthew 27:51)
    BM: the earth and the rocks, that they rent (1 Nephi 12:4)

    KJV: their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 7:14)
    BM: their garments are made white in his blood (1 Nephi 12:10)

    KJV: made them white in the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 7:14)
    BM: made white in the blood of the Lamb (1 Nephi 12:11)

    KJV: gold, and silver,...and fine linen,...and silk, and scarlet,...and all manner vessels of most precious wood (Revelation 18:12)
    BM: gold, and silver, and silks, and scarlets, and fine-twined linen, and all manner of precious clothing (1 Nephi 13:7)

    KJV: pervert the right ways of the Lord (Acts 13:10)
    BM: pervert the right ways of the Lord (1 Nephi 13:27)

    KJV: blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart (John 12:40)
    BM: blind the eyes and harden the hearts (1 Nephi 13:27)

    KJV: the power of the Holy Ghost (Romans 15:13)
    BM: the power of the Holy Ghost (1 Nephi 13:37)

    KJV: endureth to the end shall be saved (Matthew 10:22)
    BM: endure unto the end...shall be saved (1 Nephi 13:37)

    KJV: tidings of great joy (Luke 2:10)
    BM: tidings of great joy (1 Nephi 13:37)

    KJV: first shall be last; and the last shall be first (Matthew 19:30)
    BM: last shall be first, and the first shall be last (1 Nephi 13:42)

    KJV: the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (Revelation 17:1 and 15)
    BM: the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people (1 Nephi 14:11)

    KJV: the fiery darts of the wicked (Ephesians 6:16)
    BM: the fiery darts of the adversary (1 Nephi 15:24)

    KJV: nor unclean person,...hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ (Ephesians 5:5)
    BM: there cannot any unclean thing enter into the kingdom of God (1 Nephi 15:34)

    KJV: shall be saved; yet so as by fire (1 Corinthians 3:15)
    BM: shall be saved, even if it so be as by fire (1 Nephi 22:17)

    KJV: blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke (Acts 2:19)
    BM: blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke (1 Nephi 22:18)

    KJV: the lust of the flesh (1 John 2:16)
    BM: the lusts of the flesh (1 Nephi 22:23)

    KJV: the things that are in the world (1 John 2:15)
    BM: the things of the world (1 Nephi 22:23)

    KJV: his own sheep,...they know his voice (John 10:4)
    BM: his sheep, and they know him (1 Nephi 22:25)

    KJV: and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd (John 10:16)
    BM: and there shall be one fold and one shepherd (1 Nephi 22:25)

    KJV: by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified (Galatian 2:16)
    BM: by the law no flesh is justified (2 Nephi 2:5)

    KJV: full of grace and truth (John 1:14)
    BM: full of grace and truth (2 Nephi 2:6)

    KJV: I lay down my life, that I might take it again (John 10:17)
    BM: who layeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit (2 Nephi 2:8)

    KJV: the firstfruits unto God (Revelation 14:4)
    BM: the firstfruits unto God (2 Nephi 2:9)

    KJV: that old serpent, which is the Devil (Revelations 20:2)
    BM: that old serpent, who is the devil (2 Nephi 2:18)

    KJV: he is a liar, and the father of it (John 8:44)
    BM: who is the father of all lies (2 Nephi 2:18)

    KJV: hath chosen that good part (Luke 10:42)
    BM: have chosen the good part (2 Nephi 2:30)

    KJV: O wretched man that I am (Romans 7:24)
    BM: O wretched man that I am (2 Nephi 4:17)

    KJV: the sin which doth so easily beset us (Hebrews 12:1)
    BM: the sins which do so easily beset me (2 Nephi 4:18)

    KJV: I know whom I have believed (2 Timothy 1:12)
    BM: I know in whom I have trusted (2 Nephi 4:19)

    KJV: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men
    liberally (James 1:5)
    BM: God will give liberally to him that asketh (2 Nephi 4:35)

    KJV: ye ask amiss (James 4:3)
    BM: I ask not amiss (2 Nephi 4:35)

    KJV: this corruptible must put on incorruption (1 Corinthians 15:53)
    BM: this corruption could not put on in corruption (2 Nephi 9:7)

    KJV: Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14)
    BM: transformeth himself nigh unto an angel of light (2 Nephi 9:9)

    KJV: death and hell delivered up the dead (Revelation 20:13)
    BM: death and hell must deliver up their dead (2 Nephi 9:12)

    KJV: we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ (Romans 14:10)
    BM: they must appear before the judgment-seat of the Holy One (2 Nephi
    9:15)

    KJV: my words shall not pass away (Matthew 24:35)
    BM: his eternal word, which cannot pass away (2 Nephi 9:16)

    KJV: he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still (Revelations 22:11)

    BM: they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still (2 Nephi 9:16)

    KJV: Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41)
    BM: the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire; prepared for them (2 Nephi 9:16)

    KJV: endured the cross, despising the shame (Hebrews 12:2)
    BM: endured the crosses of the world, and despised the shame (2 Nephi 9:18)

    KJV: the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world (Matthew 25:34)
    BM: the kingdom of God, which was prepared for them from the foundation of the world (2 Nephi 9:18)

    KJV: that your joy might be full (John 15:11)
    BM: their joy shall be full (2 Nephi 9:18)

    KJV: commandeth all men every where to repent (Acts 17:30)
    BM: commandeth all men that they must repent (2 Nephi 9:23)

    KJV: where no law is, there is no transgression (Romans 4:15)
    BM: where there is no law given there is no punishment (2 Nephi 9:25)

    KJV: the wisdom of this world is foolishness (1 Corinthians 3:19)
    BM: their wisdom is foolishness (2 Nephi 9:28)

    KJV: But woe unto you that are rich (Luke 6:24)
    BM: But wo unto the rich (2 Nephi 9:30)

    KJV: where your treasure is, there will your heart be also (Matthew 6:21)
    BM: hearts are upon their treasures (2 Nephi 9:30)

    KJV: shalt be thrust down to hell (Luke 10:15)
    BM: shall be thrust down to hell (2 Nephi 9:34)

    KJV: die in your sins (John 8:21)
    BM: die in their sins (2 Nephi 9:38)

    KJV: to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life (Romans 8:6)
    BM: to be carnally-minded is death, and to be spiritually- minded is life (2 Nephi 9:39)

    KJV: and to him that knocketh it shall be opened (Matthew 7:8)
    BM: And whoso knocketh, to him will he open (2 Nephi 9:42)

    KJV: Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female (Galatians 3:28)
    BM: Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female (2 Nephi 10:16)

    KJV: He that is not with me is against me (Luke 11:23)
    BM: they who are not for me are against me, saith our God (2 Nephi 10:16)

    KJV: lay aside...the sin (Hebrews 12:1)
    BM: lay aside our sins (2 Nephi 10:20)

    KJV: reconciled to God (Romans 5:10)
    BM: reconciled unto God (2 Nephi 10:24)

    KJV: by grace are ye saved (Ephesians 2:8)
    BM: through the grace of God that ye are saved (2 Nephi 10:24)

    KJV: the power of his resurrection (Philippians 3:10)
    BM: the power of the resurrection (2 Nephi 10:25)

    KJV: the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
    BM: the Only Begotten of the Father (2 Nephi 25:12)

    KJV: there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12)
    BM: there is none other name given under heaven save it be this Jesus Christ,...whereby man can be saved (2 Nephi 25:20)

    KJV: in Christ shall all be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:22)
    BM: made alive in Christ (2 Nephi 25:25)

    KJV: in no wise cast out (John 6:37)
    BM: in nowise be cast out (2 Nephi 25:29)

    KJV: grind him to powder (Matthew 21:44)
    BM: grind them to powder (2 Nephi 26:5)

    KJV: darkness rather than light (John 3:19)
    BM: darkness rather than light (2 Nephi 26:10)

    KJV: I...will draw all men unto me (John 12:32)
    BM: he may draw all men unto him (2 Nephi 26:24)

    KJV: be beaten with few stripes (Luke 12:48)
    BM: will beat us with a few stripes (2 Nephi 28:8)

    KJV: in everlasting chains (Jude, verse 6)
    BM: his everlasting chains (2 Nephi 28:19)

    KJV: judged every man according to their works (Revelation 20:13)
    BM: judged according to their works (2 Nephi 28:23)

    KJV: the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14)
    BM: a lake of fire (2 Nephi 28:23)

    KJV: built his house upon a rock (Matthew 7:24)
    BM: built upon the rock (2 Nephi 28:28)

    KJV: built his house upon the sand (Matthew 7:24)
    BM: built upon a sandy foundation (2 Nephi 28:28)

    KJV: For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath (Matthew 13:12)
    BM: for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even even that which they have (2 Nephi 28:30)

    KJV: out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works (Revelation 20:12)
    BM: out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works (2 Nephi 29:11)

    KJV: ye shall all likewise perish (Luke 13:3)
    BM: ye shall all likewise perish (2 Nephi 30:1)

    KJV: fell from his eyes as it had been scales (Acts 9:18)
    BM: scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes (2 Nephi 30:6)

    KJV: for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed (Matthew 10:26)
    BM: There is nothing which is secret save it shall be revealed (2 Nephi 30:17)

    KJV: made manifest by the light (Ephesians 5:13)
    BM: made manifest in the light (2 Nephi 30:17)

    KJV: the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world (John 1:29)
    BM: the Lamb of God, which should take away the sins of the world (2 Nephi 31:4)

    KJV: to fulfil all righteousness (Matthew 3:15)
    BM: to fulfil all righteousness (2 Nephi 31:5)

    KJV: strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life (Matthew 7:14)
    BM: straight and narrow path which leads to eternal life (2 Nephi 31:18)

    KJV: with the tongues...of angels (1 Corinthians 13:1)
    BM: with the tongue of angels (2 Nephi 32:2)

    KJV: because ye ask not (James 4:2)
    BM: because ye ask not (2 Nephi 32:4)

    KJV: men ought always to pray, and not to faint (Luke 18:1)
    BM: ye must pray always, and not faint (2 Nephi 32:9)

    KJV: how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out (Romans 11:33)
    BM: How unsearchable are the depths of the mysteries of him; and it is impossible that man should find out all his ways (Jacob 4:8)

    KJV: withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (John 15:6)
    BM: wither away, and we will cast them into the fire that they may be burned (Jacob 5:7)

    KJV: quench not the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19)
    BM: quench the Holy Spirit (Jacob 6:8)

    KJV: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done (Luke 22:42)
    BM: Nevertheless, not my will be done (Jacob 7:14)

    KJV: thy faith hath made thee whole (Matthew 9:22)
    BM: thy faith hath made thee whole (Enos 8)

    KJV: whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive (Matthew 21:22)
    BM: Whatsoever thing ye shall ask in faith, believing...ye shall receive it (Enos 15)

    KJV: Come, ye blessed (Matthew 25:34)
    BM: Come unto me, ye blessed (Enos 27)

    KJV: grievous to be borne (Matthew 23:4)
    BM: grievous to be borne (Mosiah 2:14)

    KJV: when ye shall have done all those things...say, We are unprofitable servants (Luke 17:10)
    BM: if ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants (Mosiah 2:21)

    KJV: drinketh damnation to himself (1 Corinthians 11:29)
    BM: drinketh damnation to his own soul (Mosiah 2:33)

    KJV: He came unto his own (John 1:11)
    BM: he cometh unto his own (Mosiah 3:9)

    KJV: I judge: and my judgment is just (John 5:30)
    BM: he judgeth, and his judgment is just (Mosiah 3:18)

    KJV: become as little children (Matthew 18:3)
    BM: become as little children (Mosiah 3:18)

    KJV: put off the old man (Colossians 3:9)
    BM: puttenth putteth off the natural man (Mosiah 3:19)

    KJV: believe that he is, and that he (Hebrews 11:6)
    BM: believe that he is, and that he (Mosiah 4:9)

    KJV: enemy of all righteousness (Acts 13:10)
    BM: enemy to all righteousness (Mosiah 4:14)

    KJV: the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12)
    BM: the thoughts and intents of his heart (Mosiah 5:13)

    KJV: stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work (1 Corinthians 15:58)
    BM: steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works (Mosiah 5:15)

    KJV: O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory (1 Corinthians 15:55)
    BM: the grave should have no victory, and that death should have no sting (Mosiah 16:7)

    KJV: I am the light of the world (John 8:12)
    BM: He is the light...of the world (Mosiah 16:9)

    KJV: they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation (John 5:29)

    BM: If they be good, to the resurrection of endless life and happiness; and if they be evil, to the resurrection of endless damnation (Mosiah 16:11)

    KJV: one faith, one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)
    BM: one faith and one baptism (Mosiah 18:21)

    KJV: Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free (Galatians 5:1)
    BM: stand fast in this liberty wherewith ye have been made free (Mosiah 23:13)

    KJV: Pray without ceasing (1 Thessalonians 5:17)
    BM: pray without ceasing (Mosiah 26:39)

    KJV: Marvel not that... Ye must be born again (John 3:7)
    BM: Marvel not that all mankind...must be born again (Mosiah 27:25)

    KJV: the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity (Acts 8:23)
    BM: the gall of bitterness and bonds of iniquity (Mosiah 27:29)

    KJV: every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God (Romans 14:11)
    BM: every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess before him (Mosiah 27:31)

    KJV: stand fast in the faith (1 Corinthians 16:13)
    BM: stand fast in the faith (Alma 1:25)

    KJV: sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 8:11)
    BM: sit down in the kingdom of God, with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob (Alma 5:24)

    KJV: the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth (John 1:14)
    BM: the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, and mercy, and truth (Alma 5:48)

    KJV: taketh away the sin of the world (John 1:29)
    BM: take away the sins of the world (Alma 5:48)

    KJV: the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire (Matthew 3:10)
    BM: the ax is laid at the root of the tree, therefore every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit shall be hewn down and cast into the fire (Alma 5:52)

    KJV: Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance (Matthew 3:8)
    BM: bring forth works which are meet for repentance (Alma 5:54)

    KJV: come out from among them, and be ye separate,...and touch not the unclean thing (2 Corinthians 6:17)
    BM: come ye out from the wicked, and be ye separate, and touch not their unclean things (Alma 5:57)

    KJV: and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9)
    BM: and to cleanse from all unrighteousness (Alma 7:14)

    KJV: lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us (Hebrews 12:1)
    BM: lay aside every sin, which easily doth beset you (Alma 7:15)

    KJV: he which is filthy, let him be filthy still (Revelation 22:11)
    BM: he who is filthy shall remain in his filthiness (Alma 7:21)

    KJV: faith, hope, charity (1 Corinthians 13:13)

    BM: faith, hope, and charity (Alma 7:24)

    KJV: thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God (Acts 5:4)
    BM: thou hast not lied unto men only but thou hast lied unto God (Alma 12:3)

    KJV: resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust (Acts 24:15)
    BM: resurrection of the dead,...both the just and the unjust (Alma 12:8)

    KJV: the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from (Revelation 6:16)
    BM: the rocks and the mountains to fall upon us to hide us from (Alma 12:14)

    KJV: to die, but after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27)
    BM: must die; and after death, they must come to judgment (Alma 12:27)

    KJV: this Melchisedec,...To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all (Hebrews 7:1-2)
    BM: this same Melchizedek to whom Abraham paid...of one-tenth part of all (Alma 13:15)

    KJV: not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able (1 Corinthians 10:13)

    BM: not be tempted above that which ye can bear (Alma 13:28)

    KJV: Rabboni; which is to say, Master (John 20:16)
    BM: Rabbanah, which is...powerful or great king (Alma 18:13)

    KJV: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves (Matthew 10:16)
    BM: being wise yet harmless (Alma 18:22)

    KJV: I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel (Luke 7:9)
    BM: I say unto thee, woman, there has not been such great faith among all the people of the Nephites (Alma 19:10)

    KJV: My soul is exceeding sorrowful (Matthew 26:38)
    BM: my heart is exceeding sorrowful (Alma 31:31)

    KJV: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1)
    BM: if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen (Alma 32:21)

    KJV: springing up into everlasting life (John 4:14)
    BM: springing up unto everlasting life (Alma 32:41)

    KJV: one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (Matthew 5:18)
    BM: it shall be all fulfilled, every jot and tittle, and none shall have passed away (Alma 34:13)

    KJV: child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness (Acts 13:10)
    BM: against the devil, who is an enemy to all righteousness (Alma 34:23)

    KJV: cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men (Matthew 5:13)
    BM: cast out,...and is trodden under foot of men (Alma 34:29)

    KJV: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation (2 Corinthians 6:2)
    BM: behold now is the time and the day of your salvation (Alma 34:31)

    KJV: work out your own salvation with fear (Philippians 2:12)
    BM: work out your salvation with fear (Alma 34:37)

    KJV: worship him...in spirit and in truth (John 4:24)
    BM: worship God,...in spirit and in truth (Alma 34:38)

    KJV: and learn of me; for I (Matthew 11:29)
    BM: and learn of me; for I (Alma 36:3)

    KJV: Jesus, thou son of David, have mercy on me (Mark 10:47)
    BM: Jesus, thou Son of God, have mercy on me (Alma 36:18)

    KJV: meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls (Matthew 11:29)
    BM: meek and lowly in heart; for such shall find rest to their souls (Alma 37:34)

    KJV: I am the light of the world (John 8:12)
    BM: he is...the light of the world (Alma 38:9)

    KJV: the lusts of the eyes (1 John 2:16)
    BM: the lusts of your eyes (Alma 39:9)

    KJV: shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:12)
    BM: shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Alma 40:13)

    KJV: fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries (Hebrews 10:27)
    BM: fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God (Alma 40:14)

    KJV: restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets (Acts 3:21)
    BM: restoration of those things of which has been spoken by the mouths of the prophets (Alma 40:22)

    KJV: Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father (Matthew 13:43)
    BM: then shall the righteous shine forth in the kingdom of God (Alma 40:25)

    KJV: without God in the world (Ephesians 2:12)
    BM: without God in the world (Alma 41:11)

    KJV: it is appointed unto men once to die (Hebrews 9:27)
    BM: it was appointed unto man to die (Alma 42:6)

    KJV: Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free (Galatians 5:1)
    BM: stand fast in that liberty wherewith God has made them free (Alma 58:40)

    KJV: cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also (Matthew 23:26)

    BM: the inward vessel shall be cleansed first, and then shall the outer vessel be cleansed also (Alma 60:23)

    KJV: lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven (Matthew 6:20)
    BM: lay up for yourselves a treasure in heaven (Helaman 5:8)

    KJV: except ye repent, ye shall...perish (Luke 13:5)
    BM: except ye repent ye shall perish (Helaman 7:28)

    KJV: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up (John 3:14)
    BM: And as he lifted up the brazen serpent in the wilderness, even so shall he be lifted up who should come (Helaman 8:14)

    KJV: treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment (Romans 2:5)
    BM: heaping up for yourselves wrath against the day of judgment (Helaman 8:25)

    KJV: darkness rather than light (John 3:19)
    BM: darkness rather than light (Helaman 13:29)

    KJV: graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,...and appeared unto many (Matthew 27:52-53)
    BM: graves shall be opened, and shall yield up many of their dead; and many saints shall appear unto many (Helaman 14:25)

    KJV: the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire (2 Peter 2:22)
    BM: the dog to his vomit, or like the sow to her wallowing in the mire (3 Nephi 7:8)

    (The above information was found on the Tanner's website, www.utlm.org.)

    Marjorie

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Did I forget to add that they have retranslated swathes of the KJV to suit their understanding, complete with interpolations of whole sentences? They aren't as subtle as the JW's.

    Apparently even the earliest extant scrolls must have been corrupted by the Roman Catholic Church

    Oh, and their book of Abraham is a corker. It's a "translation" of a portion of the Egyptian "Book of the Dead", complete with an altered drawing of Anubis: http://neirr.org/bof.htm

    They dodge around issues that they are uncomfortable with, like a running back on speed.
    They WILL try to get you to accept JS as a true prophet, and likely dump you if you won't accept this.
    You best chance is in the first few weeks, before they start to make this demand.

    Having been trained in JW methods, their methods with likely jump out at you.

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    ..."They told me about their meeting’s of which there is only ONE a week, "...

    the only problem is the one meeting starts at 8am and concludes at 11pm. lol. But really,they are whacky, I expect pretty soon they will break out the plastic cup pyramid and demonstrate how the structure 1 / 3 / 12 / 70 is the ideal structure for the outpouring and down flow of the holy spirit upon the thirsty church masses.

  • Alleymom
    Alleymom

    The Book of Mormon claims that Native Americans are descended from the Israelites, but recent DNA studies show that the Native Americans are of Asian origin. They came over the land bridge from Siberia.

    Unlike JW's, many Mormons are scientists, and the DNA evidence has been enough to cause some of them to leave the church.

    http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no100.htm#DNA

  • mizpah
    mizpah

    Before anyone becomes a Mormon convert, two books should be required reading. Both are by the same author who had a parent who was a Mormon.

    Author: Ernest H. Taves

    Books: TROUBLE ENOUGH Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon and THIS IS THE PLACE Brigham Young and the New Zion.

  • KGB
    KGB

    becoming anything is better than being addicted to this discussion board. If I were you I would go find a better place to discuss than this one.

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    No Latte, I don't think you want to be a Mormon. Any religion bulging with 20 yr old elders is not a good idea.

    I have seen where they work their females, (especially spouses) so hard that they are near mental collapse all the time.

    You might give them KGB's address though. It seems he needs a break from this forum and a little comforting.

    Now wasn't that nice of me?

    Outoftheorg

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