Judge Orders Jehovah's Witnesses to turn over Internal Documents re: Childhood Sexual Abuse
Watchtower is a very well tuned "LEGAL" corporation.... It answers questions, and directs it's 'members' / clients to respond to questions in a very "I am not going to tell you anything more than you ask me, and if you don't ask the right question, I am not going to help you out" manner.
When I went to see the Candice Conti appeal trial, the judge asked Jim McCabe "Who puts the field service lists on the 'bulletin' board for all to see and use?"
Now, the point the judge was trying to get at was: Do elders make the list? Did elders assign Candice to work with Jonathan Kendrick? If they DID assign her to work with them, and they knew about it, then ....
However, Jim McCabe (WT lawyer) answered the judge directly and sneakily, basically saying: 'Anyone can put it on the board, even a little kid can pin it up on the board, people walk by that board all the time'
Is that "true"? .... TECHNICALLY, yes (the kid would get in trouble, and most kids/ women/ teenagers do nothing to that board) But he did not volunteer that elders make the list, and assign book study/ field service groups, and I don't believe he was asked a further question about it.
Loesch: All of us consider him to be a part of the "Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society", we would say he has influence, right? After all, he is a 'GB' ... However, WT is structured with many corporations, many names, many positions so that IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, or if you do not ask the EXACT question, the EXACT way, you will get no help from them. The lawyers know this, and helped Loesch reply. He could/would have been subpoenaed if he did not answer this correctly. What Loesch said was "technically correct"
Yes, the WT knows EXACTLY what it is doing.
re. cha ching's post...
Par for the course for a religion that had its most formative years under the administration of a ruthless and unscrupulous lawyer.
Legalistic weasel wording.
Once again, for the newbies, lurkers, and trolls...
...if you have to cheat to defend your belies, your beliefs don't deserve to be defended.
Really, do not get upset that the organization is making people fight for the money they’re after.
If you go after those with deep pockets, expect them to do what they are OBLIGATED to do — protect their finances.
The reorganization years ago was apparently in part to make suing them harder; to make them less centralized, and to force money-grubbing blame-shifters to think twice about bringing a frivolous lawsuit.
It paid dividends when Zalkin’s supoena of Losch was quashed and thrown out of court along with his lies about what Losch allegedly knew.
So the precedent was set: the GB is not head of “WT”. They are spiritual leaders and not corporate officers.
Sure, the WT should volunteer information to aid lawyers in suing them.
You sound like fools...
"Sure, the WT should volunteer information to aid lawyers in suing them" - Bobby
That's right, they should hide their guilt to the best of their abilities. However, if the information is not there in the first place then there is nothing to 'give' to anyone...
"You sound like fools..." - Bobby
Says the poster who says that the watchtower should try to hide their guilt from those who want justice...
"The reorganization years ago was apparently in part to make suing them harder; to make them less centralized, and to force money-grubbing blame-shifters to think twice about bringing a frivolous lawsuit." - bobby
You are right again bobby, they need to shift things around to make the victims' attempt at justice all the more difficult. Why change the problems within the organisation that are actually causing these issues when you can simply hide the guilt...
"money-grubbing blame-shifters" - Booby
Is that how you describe victims of abuse who have had no recourse other than a legal one to get the watchtower corporation to answer for their policies that enabled the abuse to happen?
It really doesn’t matter how you spin it, the fact remains that organizations have obligations to those who donate and confide in its “agents” — that obligation is to not disclose privileged information to unauthorized third parties, and to protect their money. It’s the law.
You don’t like it, fine. Go try and get the law changed then. That’s how you address it. Other than that, deal with it and shut up.
You want justice, sue the abuser. But beware, the abuser likely doesn’t have millions of dollars for them to sink their teeth into. That’s ok, just tie the crime to a rich person/organization.
...and the Devil hid behind a serpent.