Israel rejects truce with terrorists

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Yerusalyim

UNRealist,
My "Silence" was due to my being away from home for about a week, which happens again Saturday. The maps you displayed came from a Pro-Palestinian Site, not a UN site.
In the Partition plan the Palestinians received the best land by far, Israel's borders were indefensible.
furthermore israel occupied further territories after the war annexing them right away (thereby displaying gross disrespect to any international law - by the way this took place only a few years after WWII in which germany was accused of exactly the same thing).
Funny you didn't mention the gross disrespect for international law displayed by the Arabs in their attack on Israel. Seems to me International law recognizes the right to occupy territory taken in war. So, you're damned right Israel occuppied territory not assigned to it by the UN, they EARNED IT. Had the Arabs not attacked them, Israel would not have occupied this land...but you don't want to deal with that issue.\
as long as israel does not apologize for this unbelievable injustice and does not compensate the arabs they cannot expect the arabs to like them.
When are the Arabs going to apologize for their injustice towards Jews? More Jews were displaced by Arabs in the Arab world than Arabs displaced by Jews. Over 850,000 Jews forced to leave their homes in Arab countries without a penny. Yet no one talks about repatriating them, or the injustices they suffered, or the murders and pogroms.
do you blame the french and russians etc. to committ attacks against the germans in WWII?
The problem with your analogy is that Germany Attacked France and Russia...it was the Arabs that attacked Israel not the other way around. Five Arab armies and two irregular groups attacked Israel...The Arabs have the part of the Germans in your analogy. You never want to talk about the fact that in 48 the Arabs were the aggressors.
Realist

yeru,
i posted the link to the UN NUMBERS to prove that these maps are indeed from the UN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your refusal to even look at reality and the official numbers is frustrating.
FACT is that half the territory given to the jews in 48 was occupied by over 90% arabs! as long as you can'T see this as injustice it is not worth to discuss this further.
Yerusalyim

Why is it an injustice, it was done by your prescious United Nations, remember, the folks the US is suppossed to bend over backwards and ass kiss. What you don't mention is that many areas that was to be given over to the Arabs had a majority of Jews. Those Arabs that did stay in Israel and took it's citizenship seem to be doing quite well for themselves, though, Huh?
Realist

Why is it an injustice?
hell what would you think if suddenly mexicans would claim california and new mexico to be theirs and degrade you to second class citizens? would it help you if it was done with the consent of the UN? i don't think so. especially you as a person fighting for your country should understand the arabs not wanting to get under jewish control.
by the way...i stated this already previously....i consider the UN a complete joke. if it would be dissolved today i would not shed a single tear. it was created primarily to give US actions the appearance of democratic decisions. whenever the UN did not concur with US interests despite great pressure the UN was and is ignored.
What you don't mention is that many areas that was to be given over to the Arabs had a majority of Jews.
these statistics i want to see! is there any official documentation of this? the jews like in europe usually are not farmers but city dwellers. they were located in the cities not in the countryside. (look at the UN numbers if you don'T believe me).
Those Arabs that did stay in Israel and took it's citizenship seem to be doing quite well for themselves, though, Huh?
because of the relative wealth of the israeli society they are better off than their neighbors....but they are treated as second class citizens nontheless!
Hamas

I think that people only see what they want to see.
Dubla, your comments were Powell like, I shown you in black and white that Israel rejected the truce but you chose to ignore it and twist the story around.
Happy Independance day Yeru
Yerusalyim

Surrealist,
Arab Israelis are second class citizens? Ya mean the ones in the Knesset? WOW! Even though it's the ONLY Arab country in which Arabs can be ELECTED to government, the Arabs there are second class citizens? HMMMMMMMM! Curious. Give me more of that second class citizenery in the Arab world.
Look, we can argue this stuff till we're blue in the face, but here's some simple facts...Unless the Palestinians accept Israel as a reality there will be no peace. Until Israel comes face to face with the fact of a Palestinian State, there will be no peace.
Ya know, one major difference between the Jews and the PA that I can see is that the Jewish Agency went to war with the Jewish Terrorist groups like the Irgun. If the PA would go to war with it's terrorists it would be a lot easier for me to hear some of their arguements and grievances. The Israelis I've talked to feel the same way. Most accept that Palestine will become a state...most can't understand why the PA won't deal with the Terrorists in it's midst. Abbas seems to be the best hope for Palestine right now, if he can just shake the Egyptian Arafat. Lets hope that works out.
Realist

i agree - the palestinians have no choice but to accept a complete and unconditional surrender.
Yerusalyim

I don't see getting their own State, one they haven't worked for or earned in any way that I can see, as surrender. The Israelis should do the same? The Israelis should go back to the 1967 borders with WORSE conditions than what prompted their taking over the West Bank to begin with? Or better yet, ALL THE JEWS should leave the middle east. It doesn't matter that millions of them were born there, that they've taken a wasted desert and turned it into the most propserous country in the region, the Arabs don't like them so the Jews should leave, I know, lets set them up in camps in Germany and Poland again.
You keep not talking about the 850,000 Jews kicked out of Arab countries that now take up residence in Israel, whose going to give them their land and money and goods back?
Complete surrender? No, the Palestinians just need to show that they are capable of governing...which they've yet to do. That's right, the Palestinians never HAD a government, EVER. That's because they are Arabs from various Arab countries and that before 1948 those refered to as Palestinians were Jewish.
Never mind that British mandate Palestine gave over 73% of the Mandate area for an Arab country and that 23% was set aside for a Jewish homeland. TransJordan became the Arab government of British Mandate Palestine, yet, they wanted more. And in spite of the fact that your beloved United Nations had put a plan in place which was rejected by Arabs and accepted by Jews, you want to keep questioning their right to exist, or their expectancy at being allowed to live in peace.
No, not surrender COOPERATION, RESPONSIBILITY, ACTIVE MEASURES towards peaceful coexistence, that's all Israel wants.
No, I'm not abandoning the debate, I'm going on vacation.
Yerusalyim

This is what the United States and Israel have wanted the Palestinians to do all along. It's a good beginning. Let's hope the Palestinians can get rid of the Egyptian dragging them down, that is, Arafat.

A Palestinian suspected of ordering a mortar attack on a Jewish settlement fired on a policemen who came to arrest him, the first show of resistance to Palestinian security forces enforcing a fledgling truce.
Three people were injured in the shooting at Gaza's Beach Refugee Camp late Friday, a Palestinian police source said. It wasn't clear if the suspect was among the wounded, but he was taken into custody.
The man, who was not identified, is the eighth person to be arrested in the mortar attack Wednesday that injuring four Israelis. Seven Fatah rebels were arrested in Gaza on Wednesday and Thursday, marking the first time Palestinian security forces took action against those violating the truce.
The cease-fire declarations by Palestinian militias last weekend set in motion steps linked to the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan to halt violence and set up a Palestinian state in 2005. Among those backing the truce are the Islamic militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and Yasser Arafat's ruling Fatah movement.
In protest over the arrests, about a dozen gunmen fired in the air and set off homemade grenades in Gaza City late Thursday, but did not clash with police.
Palestinian security chief Mohammed Dahlan has vowed that his forces will pursue militants who break the cease fire, which went into effect Sunday.
Israel and the United States want the Palestinians to go further and disarm the groups, including Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, which have killed hundreds of Israelis in shooting and bombing attacks. Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas has rejected using force against the militants, fearing a civil war.
Although fighting has decreased dramatically under the cease-fire, there have been scattered attacks.
On Saturday, one Palestinian was killed and another was wounded in an explosion in southern Gaza, Palestinian security sources said.
The cause of the explosion along Gaza's eastern edge with Israel was unclear. Palestinian police investigators said the two men might have accidentally set off an explosive device left behind by Israeli troops, who withdrew from Gaza this week.
An anti-tank missile was fired toward an army patrol at a Jewish settlement in Gaza and a grenade was lobbed at an army post along Gaza's border with Egypt overnight. No one was injured in those incidents, the army said.
The cease-fire was followed by Israeli troop withdrawals from parts of Gaza and the West Bank town of Bethlehem.
Abbas was to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Tuesday to discuss further troop pullbacks, which are part of the U.S.-backed peace plan, which calls on Israel to withdraw to positions held before the outbreak of fighting in September 2000.
Meanwhile, the Palestinian foreign minister, Nabil Shaath, said Friday that Palestinians could be ready to hold general elections by October if Israel withdraws from major population centers, but that Yasser Arafat will likely stand as the only major candidate for president.
Arafat's re-election would likely frustrate Washington's moves to sideline him and nurture an alternative Palestinian leadership.
Realist

yeru,
you continually skip the topic and don't even read what i post. so there is no point in continuing this discussion.

Israel rejects truce with terrorists

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