Israel rejects truce with terrorists

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  • dubla
    dubla

    hamas-

    Dubla, your comments were Powell like, I shown you in black and white that Israel rejected the truce but you chose to ignore it and twist the story around.

    this is completely laughable.....where did you come up with "powell like"....hmm, didnt realist say that? cant come up with your own quips? lol........anyhow, as far as the truce goes, gerard showed links proving the truce was in affect (and thus not rejected), and the links were only one day after your thread started. those same links showed how the truce was indeed broken on its first full day of existance, by palestinian terrorism. you have had no answers for those two simple facts, and you continue to ignore them. bravo.

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  • dubla
    dubla

    hamas-

    btw, just to refresh your memory, these are the two statements from you that i requested backing for:

    Instead of accepting this, Israel has declined it. Rather, they are prepared to continue targeting more innocent Palestinians in the region.

    to show this was true at this point would be very, very easy. simply provide me a link or two showing which "innocent palestinians" have been targeted and/or killed since the time of your first post. if your words were true, this should be a snap of a task.

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  • Hamas
    Hamas

    lol @ Dubla

    An attack on the person rather than the arguement ? Sounds like the first sign of a losing arguement, my friend.

    When I told you that your comments were Powell like, I was following on from what Realist said. He said it, you rebutted it, I backed it up. I didn't just copy what he said; please, don't downgrade your level of discussion futher by using schoolboy tactics

    Miss ! Hamas is a copycat !!!!!

    Palestinian's called for truce June 17.

    June 17 2003



    Israel's Foreign Minister has said his country will not accept a ceasefire from Palestinian militant groups

    Israel rejected this call. I don't have to show y ou links that everyday in Israel the Israeli army destroys and kills Palestinians in Israel. If you refuse to believe that, then that is up to you.

  • dubla
    dubla

    hamas-

    When I told you that your comments were Powell like, I was following on from what Realist said. He said it, you rebutted it, I backed it up. I didn't just copy what he said; please, don't downgrade your level of discussion futher by using schoolboy tactics

    there are no "schoolboy tactics" here, i just thought it was funny that you were repeating a quip from someone else, as if it was your own. but hey, if you are simply "backing it up", please show me how any of my comments have been similar to powells, and in what way.......id be really interested to hear an intelligent response.

    Palestinian's called for truce June 17.
    has said his country will not accept a ceasefire from Palestinian militant groups

    first off, your quote is out of context, and outdated.......he had said his country would not accept the ceasefire unless certain conditions were agreed upon.....which they then WERE agreed upon (as of the time this thread started), which is the part you obviously cannot comprehend...............do you know how many times a truce has been called for by one/either/both side(s) of this and its been rejected or dismissed because of the terms? israel has rejected terms, yes, so have the palestinians, many times! if all we are arguing about here are the specific terms of the AGREED upon truce that went into affect THE DAY of your first post, then lets come out and do just that. personally, i dont think there is anything unfair about the terms...they are quite simple: the palestinians dismantle the terrorist groups, and the israelis dismantle their settlements.........do you personally have a problem with the condition that israel wanted in the truce agreement before adhering to it? (that being the eventual dismantling of the terrorist groups)....if so, why? the indisputable FACT here (that youve still yet to observe), is that the first full day of the AGREED upon truce was the day after this thread started. that fact disqualifies your attempt at making israel seem as if they are still targeting civilians regardless of the poor innocent palestinians' repeated efforts at peace. you can go back to june 17th to make a case, but it doesnt help the one you tried to make on the 29th.

    I don't have to show y ou links that everyday in Israel the Israeli army destroys and kills Palestinians in Israel.

    anytime someone dies in an attack (from either side), it is well documented and blasted all over the news. if youre trying to claim that israel continues to target "innocents" on a daily basis, despite the truce that is IN PLACE AS WE SPEAK, then yes, you will be expected to show some sort of proof. your fabrications dont quite cut it, sorry. now, if youd like, i can show you multiple attacks BY PALESTINIANS, AFTER the ceasefire was called......the fact that israel HAS NOT been retaliating, again, discounts your entire argument here. if israel is so eager to "target innocent palestinians", then why didnt they retaliate on the first day (june 30th), after they were attacked? i cant wait for an answer to that one.

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  • dubla
    dubla

    hamas-

    just to give you an idea of what i meant when i was referring to past truce agreements that had been rejected....heres a couple of clips from a 2001 article......

    JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eleizer said Wednesday he has instructed the Israel Defense Forces to implement the Tenet truce plan over the coming week.

    In the West Bank and Gaza, Palestinian groups denounced the deal, saying they should be allowed to continue the Palestinian uprising, or Intifada, as it is called.

    http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/06/13/mideast.02/index.html

    wow, i just showed that at one time, israel was offering a truce, and the palestinians were rejecting it.....but that really doesnt have much bearing on the CURRENT agreement that is IN PLACE, does it? are you starting to understand now?

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  • dubla
    dubla

    bttt for hamas

  • searchfothetruth
    searchfothetruth

    BBC World TV Points Finger
    At Israel's WMD

    By Hans Lebrecht*
    7-7-3
    In a 50-minute documentary reportage, the BBC World Service Television pointed its finger on Israelâs armament with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction, not found so far in Iraq. The documentary, repeatedly broadcast on Saturday, June 28, under the title "Israelâs Secret Weapons" opened with four questions:
    1) Which country in the Middle East has undeclared nuclear weapons?
    2) Which country in the Middle East has undeclared biological and chemical capabilities?
    3) Which country has no outside inspections?
    4) Which country jailed its nuclear whistleblower for 18 years?
    The last question was concerned about the fate of the whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu who is incarcerated already 17 years, 11 of them in absolute isolation, for having warned the world about the production of atomic weaponry in Israel, related by his American adoptive parents, Mary and Nick Eoloff of St.Paul, Minnesota. (His biological parents declared him dead after he was convicted for High Treason and Spying in a secret trial, while his brother Meir Vanunu remained one of the most ardent supporters of Mordechai.) Mordechai Vanunu, a former technician employed for ten years in the Dimona ãAtomic Research Reactorä in the Israeli southern desert region, revealed to a reporter of the London Sunday Times the secret production of nuclear weapons in several subterranean storeys of that reactor. The detailed report was published in October 1986. Vanunu was kidnapped in Rome by the Israeli secret intelligence Mossad agency and shipped to Israel, where he was put on trial and convicted. The London Times reporter, now a freelance journalist, Peter Hanoun, as well as the Eoloff couple, former Vietnam War resistors, appeared as witnesses at the BBC program.
    What was the reaction to this broadcast by the rulers of this, by all means presented democratic State of Israel? The Government Press Office, a department of the Prime Minister Office, barred BBC correspondents accredited in Israel from contacts with government ministers and officials, as well as from official press conferences (with the exception of such by the PM). Daniel Seaman, the head of the GPO, alleged that the broadcast had served those who demonize Israel and anti-Semitic elements. This, he said, a democratic State like Israel cannot tolerate. The Foreign Press Association in Israel protested this step, seeing in it a dangerous infringement on the freedom of the press, as well as a ãslippery slope that can lead to the illegitimate attempts to exert pressure on news organizations or journalists whose reporting is deemed unfavorable to the governmentâs policyä.
    Since already days ahead of that BBC broadcast the media manipulated by the government and right-wing party bureaus have started a campaign against it, the ratings of watching it was exceptionally high, according to press reports.
    The fact that Israel is producing and stockpiling nuclear, biological and chemical weaponry is already known since decades to the world at large, and to whom is interested. However, the official Israel is still keeping the whole matter under a seal of secrecy, rejects international inspection, and speaks only of an unnamed ãdeterrent factor against aspirations by Arab regimes to eliminate Israel and exterminate the Jewish citizensä.
    What then had aroused the anger of the Israeli authorities? The BBC report, moderated by Olenka Frenklien, was part of a critical serial, titled ãCorrespondentä, inspired by the U.S.-British Iraq war, started under the pretext of a need to topple the Saddam Hussein regime, which allegedly was arming his army with weapons of mass destruction, never found so far. It was this comparison with the Iraq war pretext, which particularly angered the Israeli powers-that-be.
    The main witnesses interviewed by the programâs host, O. Frenklien, had been besides the Eoloffs, the journalist Peter Hanoun, who brought Vanunuâs story to be pubvlished; Vanunuâs defense attorney Avigdor Feldmann of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, as well as Israeli officials. Among the latter was most conspicuous the Nobel Peace Price Laureate and former Prime Minister, Defense and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres is known to be ãthe Father of the Israeli Nukeä. Already during the early 1950âs, in his capacity of General Director of the Prime Minister (David Ben-Gurion) office, Peres established, first with the assistance of France, then changing the sponsorship to the U.S., the alleged research reactor at Dimona. Too, enhancing the Israeli Arms Industries, he already then established the Ness-Ziona research institute for biological and chemical armament.
    Sh. Peres, interviewed by Frenklien, answered with the usual phrases of a need for a deterrent factor. But when asked what might be the reason that the U.S. Administration, so up in arms and waging a war because of the alleged existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, keeps mum on such weapons in the hands of Israel, Peres, obviously in a furious mood, answered ãHow dare you to compare the dictatorial regime of the mass killer Saddam Hussein with the democratic regime in Israel?ä.
    Instead of arguing with that Peres remark, the broadcast continued to show horrible scenes of the Israeli 1982 invasion of Lebanon, inspired by the then defense Minister (and current PM) Ariel Sharon, including scenes of the brutal two-days bombardment of the Lebanese capital Beirut, of massacres in different Palestinian refugee camps, including the Beirut refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila by Lebanese fascist elements under the supervision of Sharon.
    The programâs host interviewed also a few of the over a hundred former workers at the Dimona nuclear weapon production line, who had contracted cancerous diseases from having been exposed to longtime radioactivity, and fighting to receive compensation for it, so far rejected to be recognized as victims of working conditions.
    Frenklien asked defense attorney Avigdor Feldmann about his opinion of what was the reason behind the heavy sentence of his client, as well as having refused to release him on probation after he had fulfilled two years ago two thirds of his term, usual given to any criminal. Feldmann answered, that Vanunu was kidnapped and forcefully brought before a secret tribunal not so much for his having warned the world about the nuclear armament of Israel, or having caused the publication of the matter, but mainly as revenge for his having broken an Israeli Taboo about it.
    Other important witnesses at the BBC documentary, representing the group for arousing national Israeli and international solidarity with Mordechai Vanunu, had been the Israeli leading activists of the Committee for Freedom for Vanunu and for a Nuclear Free Zone in the Middle East, Rayna Moss and Gideon Spira.
    Very impressive had been the scenes which showed the address of the Arab Knesset deputy Issam Mahoul of the (communist led) HADASH Front, when he three years ago raised for the first time (and meanwhile the last time) in the history of the Israeli Parliament the matter of Israelâs armament with weapons of mass destruction from the rostrum at a plenary session. ãMordechai Vanunu was not the problem of the issueä, Mahoul said. ãThe problem is the policy of the government that turned the territory of a relatively small country into a poisoning waste bin which could make us all disappear into a nuclear cloudä. The documentary showed Mahoul, when he, interrupted by furious catcalls, pointed to the fact that the whole world knows that Israel has become one vast nuclear, biological and chemical arms warehouse, which is used as an anchor for a nuclear arms race in the region. In further scenes, taken at a public meeting, Issam Mahoul stated, that if asked by international inspectors, if such would arrive, he could show them installations of nuclear, biological and chemical weaponry not only in Dimona and Nes-Ziona, but also in the northern Haifa Bay, in the Galilean Sakhneen and Eilabum areas, in the Southern Yitfata vicinity, and other places.
    The documentary closed with scenes of anti-war manifestations in the USA, at which the Eoloff couple took part, and the latest visit of them at the Israeli Ashqelon prison at which their adopted son Mordechai Vanunu is incarcerated.
    The impressive BBC documentary has given extensive answers to all four opening questions. It should be noted, that this documentary came intentionally in the wake of the Iraq war and the gibbering of the Great Iraq Phyruss Victor, George W. Bush, who declared that Israel, without mentioning its arsenal of those weaponry and its terror occupation policy ãhas the full right for defending Israel and its citizens by all meansä.
    * An Israeli journalist and publicist living in Kibbutz Beit-Oren. He can be reached at: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
    http://www.amin.org/eng/uncat/2003/jul/jul06.html
  • seawolf
    seawolf

    Do you know where there is a downloadable video of that BBC program on Israel's WMD stuff? I've been wanting to see that for awhile. I scoured the BBC website and all I found was a written transcript.

  • searchfothetruth
    searchfothetruth

    Seawolf.

    Sorry, can't find a downloadable video, but heres the article with a link to get a transcript of the story:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2841377.stm

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