Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  waton

  What is being discussed here is how is that possible.

  Fisherman, You are limiting the scope of the discussion. The OP asks for a real life solution, if possible, to a fictional setup in the literary master piece, the Bible. Doing so would create an aura, inject a sense of reality, into the whole made up talking snake story. Why not turn the problem around, and question the proposed situation on the basis of reality? After all,

  The second, super Adam did not outperform the original in any way, except words, and even those are suspect, having been written ~40+ years after the " fact".
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  Fisherman

  You are limiting the scope of the discussion.

  I am not; posters can do what they like. I am just saying the the Topic is about the mechanics of Jesus’s perfection not about whether the Bible is false. Because the Bible describes Jesus as sinless and the Topic is based on that premise,
  
  
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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  Nope. Given Jesus’s miraculous birth, it’s not magic, it’s God’s Holy Spirit

  ‘Holy Spirit’ Is an entirely unverifiable and poorly defined concept with no inherent meaning, and for any practical purpose is indistinguishable from ‘magic’. And there is no evidence that Jesus’ birth was in any way ‘miraculous’ (another euphemism for ‘magic’).
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  Diogenesister

  Pescatary One Where did Jesus get his y chromosome from? Not from Mary and not from Adam. JW hold that Adam could have produced perfect offspring inspite of Eve’s transgression. It is noteworthy that Jesus’s genealogy is through Mary. He is not a direct descendant of any male. Eve was affected by sin only after Adam sinned.Anyway, the perfect genes that JC got from God fixed the problem and JC didn’t inherit sin from Eve or Mary—or Adam.

  Fisherman you do realise that males inherit an X chromosome from their mothers? Not only that but half their genes are from their mothers, also mitochondrial DNA which is ancient.

  Watchtower removed that lunacy because it demonstrates an egg as merely an empty vessel with no genetic material to impart itself.

  As to Adam having perfect kids had he not eaten the fruit, they know Jehovah would have to create another woman (Jewish legend has it he'd already created one, Lilith, who refused to submit to Adam).
  
  
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  waton

  the mechanics of Jesus’s perfection

  There is no mechanism to "Jesus's" perfection. It is miraculous , like all the other fables recounted in scripture. the alchemist turning water into wine, walking on water without a surfboard, feeding 5 k with food for 5. going to heaven without a sky hook. emptying a cemetery and have the denizen walk intoJerusalem.

  Imagine the mechanics of that. Halloween here we come.

  Treating the bible as a science fiction story, does not make it science but leaves the fiction.

  The OP asks to bolster fiction with science.

  
  
  
  
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  TonusOH

  According to the Bible, God created Adam from dust and dirt. Which means that he would have created the genetic material and added it to the figure that he had formed. Which is to say that God can simply add all of the necessary genetic material to anyone (and even, in Adam's case, anything).

  There is nothing that would prevent God from doing the same with Jesus. The concern that this would somehow invalidate the lineage does not take into account that God miraculously inseminating a woman already invalidated the lineage, in the technical sense. But if the lineage was just a way of identifying the Messiah, then it works no matter how his DNA was structured.

  Unless we think that the same God who breathed the universe and all of its complexity into existence was somehow baffled over how to handle inherited sin when he transferred a part of himself into a human form.
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  Sanchy

  Jesus was pre-conceived in vitro within a heavenly laboratory.

  Mary was only a surrogate vessel and passed none of her sinful genetics onto the child.
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  Fisherman

  There is no mechanism to "Jesus's" perfection.

  That is what the discussion is about.
  
  
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  Fisherman

  Holy Spirit’ Is an entirely unverifiable

  The premise in this topic is Jesus’s miraculous birth. Then how could Jesus still be perfect given his sinful mother. 1 answer is God fixed the genetics 2 Sin is passed down by the father so in this case given the premise, Jesus did not have a human father.
  
  
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  Fisherman

  DG, Bible says that through one man sin entered into the world and blames Adam. There is an argument that that is why Jesus did not inherited sin from Mary but the argument is based on conclusions not evidence.