Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman 60 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Konagirl
    Konagirl

    Duran - Absolutely too much emphasis. If their claim to fame (to being appointed the f&ds) in 1919 is a false teaching, then what basis is there to think that Jesus has anything more or less to do with them than any of all the other so-called Christian faiths?

    I understand, since in comparison to other religions, it's not nearly as prominent. Their claim to fame is bogus, as is their doctrine, BUT, there was just enough truth to lead all the anointed over the years into its trap, into “Babylon”. The Wt. has described correctly the “royal priesthood” as “living stones” of the spiritual temple of God; yet even that truth has been changed recently into a lie. Now, thanks to G. Losch who promotes it, all JWs are part of this spiritual temple. Do they realize that would make all JWs, priests? I never said Jesus had interest in the organization, except to see its downfall. (2 Thess 2:7-8; Rev 13:1-2,18; 19:20) His first interest is his appointed priesthood – the anointed chosen by God, which are held captive by its lies. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; John 15:16; Matt 16:18; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19-20; Eph 2:20-22; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 3:18) Jesus also is calling out all JWs who are residing in spiritual captivity under “harlots”, those of God’s people who have broken their covenant with Christ, to enter a new one – “Babylon the Great”. (Isa 28:14-19; Rev 13:11,12; 17:1-6;18:4-8)

    The proof that there are any genuine anointed in the Wt.? When you are genuinely anointed, it’s not a mere “feeling” that you will be going to heaven, or that you “just know it”, it is a supernatural experience. The genuine anointed in the organization are told NOT to talk about their anointing, and JWs are dissuaded from asking. This should raise a red flag. Why can't they? It isn't scriptural, but pure slavery to the will men. (2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10) The early priests and kings were anointed with holy oil. They felt it run down their beard and their garments as Psalm 133:2 poetically tells us. God’s holy priesthood under Christ are anointed with Holy Spirit that permeates every fiber of one’s being, as if symbolic warm oil pours from above, filling one’s heart with indescribable love and peace. (Rom 5:5) Neither God, Jesus nor His Spirit are inactive in this time period. I know anointed ones from the Wt, and I was anointed when a young woman just entering the org. Our experiences were very similar, but still tailored to the individual. The organization was the inspiration of the adversary, with the intention to destroy those belonging to Christ. (1 Pet 5:8; Matt 7:15; 24:24-25; Acts 20:29-31) Wasn’t Jesus hunted by Herod, and he killed all the children ages 2 and under, hoping that Jesus was among them? (Matt 2:16) Didn’t Jesus tell his disciples NOT to go door to door? (Luke 10:5-7) Yet, what do JWs pride themselves in, but going “house to house”?

    The Kingdom will not arrive until the temple built with “living stones” is complete… (Zech 4:4-8; Rom 8:19; Rev 13:7; Dan 7:19-21) …when those priests who submit to the will of God, walk in the path that Christ took, losing family and friends for their testimony to truth, submit to refinement through God’s word, are then sealed into the heavens. (Matt 25:1-13; Heb 12:22) Satan knows this, and he’s doing everything he can to stop the process, because they are part of Christ’s spiritual body, the Temple of God under the new covenant. (Gal:4:26) (1 Cor 10:17; 12:13-14) The loss of Satan’s own kingdom is at stake, so in the last days, he uses deceit to take captive the anointed, over the lifetime of the Wt. (Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-9)

  • Konagirl
    Konagirl

    "These stones" can not come down again; the armies (abomination) that caused such desolation are long gone; those in Judaea will not have to flee to the hills again or be slain by swords or shipped off to all nations where they are today.

    Not literal stones, but chosen "living stones" of God's spiritual temple. The abomination in today's spiritual Temple (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) is the man of lawlessness "standing where it doesn't belong". (Ezek 44:6-9; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3-4; Rev 11:1-2)

    “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth.

    “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Jehovah’s spirit is upon them; they have his approval.​” (​ w02 8/1 p. 13)

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    @Konagirl

    Jesus was clearly talking about the stones of the literal temple. Find me one Bible scholar which thinks otherwise. Even the Watchtower admits this.

    The following is an excerpt from The Watchtower of May 1, 1999 (p. 11,12) which contains some elements of sound interpretation.

    In the years leading up to 66 C.E., Christians would have seen many of the preliminary elements of the composite sign being fulfilled-wars, famines, even an extensive preaching of the good news of the Kingdom. (Acts 11:28; Colossians 1:23) When, though, would the end come? What did Jesus mean when he said: 'This generation [Greek, ge.ne.a'] will not pass away'? Jesus had often called the contemporaneous mass of opposing Jews, including religious leaders, 'a wicked, adulterous generation.' (Matthew 11:16; 12:39, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36) So when, on the Mount of Olives, he again spoke of "this generation," he evidently did not mean the entire race of Jews throughout history; nor did he mean his followers, even though they were "a chosen race." (1 Peter 2:9) Neither was Jesus saying that "this generation" is a period of time.

    Rather, Jesus had in mind the opposing Jews back then who would experience the fulfillment of the sign he gave. Regarding the reference to "this generation" at Luke 21:32, Professor Joel B. Green notes: "In the Third Gospel, 'this generation' (and related phrases) has regularly signified a category of people who are resistant to the purpose of God. . . . [It refers] to people who stubbornly turn their backs on the divine purpose." *

    The wicked generation of Jewish opposers who could observe the sign being fulfilled would also experience the end. (Matthew 24:6, 13, 14) And that they did! In 70 C.E., the Roman army returned, led by Titus, son of Emperor Vespasian. The suffering of the Jews who were again bottled up in the city is almost beyond belief." Eyewitness Flavius Josephus reports that by the time the Romans demolished the city, about 1,100,000 Jews had died and some 100,000 were taken captive, most of those soon to perish horribly from starvation or in Roman theaters. Truly, the tribulation of 66-70 C.E. was the greatest that Jerusalem and the Jewish system had ever experienced or would ever experience. How different the outcome was for Christians who had heeded Jesus' prophetic warning and had left Jerusalem after the departure of the Roman armies in 66 C.E.!
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  • Duran
    Duran
    BUT, there was just enough truth to lead all the anointed over the years into its trap, into “Babylon”.

    Just in that statement alone shows that you are a very delusional person. All who became/become JW's had to have a study, accept the false teachings, get baptized, and preach/teach the false teachings to others.

    Why would any truly anointed person accept false teachings and teach those teachings to others?

    5 and no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.

    4 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God,for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

    Your so-called anointed within JW land are not without blemish, and there was deceit in their mouth with those false teachings. Something that would never have happened if they tested what they were being taught before accepting it as true.

  • Konagirl
    Konagirl

    Vanderhoven7 - Jesus was clearly talking about the stones of the literal temple. Find me one Bible scholar which thinks otherwise. Even the Watchtower admits this.

    We know that happened. But in the last days, it was to occur again on a spiritual level. (1 Cor 15:46) The Wt. is responsible for throwing down and scattering “living stones”. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe you never were a JW, is that right? For some who have spent years inside, you come to understand the perils the anointed are facing – that is, after you awake from its delusion. The GB are believed to be anointed (doubt all, in my opinion), “living stones”/ priests/ a “faithful slave/steward”/ of God’s spiritual household. (Luke 12:42; Matt 24:45) Yet, they have barred their brothers and sisters in Christ from working as a body under their Head, while the GB have their own “Gentile” elder body, not anointed, whom they work with. This “body” is under their “head” and direction, the GB, connecting with them; and the GB rely on them to convey their doctrine of men. (Luke 22:24-26) The anointed on the other hand, are threaten from gathering under Jesus Christ, from answering only to his word, to his guidance under Holy Spirit. The sarcastic threats come through statements such as…

    “…anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.​” W 16 pg 24

    Can you imagine the arrogance to tell an anointed one, who experienced Holy Spirit poured into their heart, that they cannot bond and study the word of God with their own spiritual brothers and sisters in Christ? This “unity” and false sense of peace and security (1 Thess 5:3) that the organization strives to maintain under false prophets/christs as their only head, is an evil dichotomy to the unity that God’s anointed priests are to support under Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 12; Rom 12:3-9; Eph 4:1-5)

    1 Cor 12:24-26 – “Instead, God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the less honorable, 25 so that there would be no division in the body, but that the members would have the same concern for each other. 26 So if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.”

    They have fallen into a trap of a powerful deception. This “steward” is wicked, the “faithful and discreet slave” is wicked. And the anointed have been greatly deceived into supporting it. (Luke 16:1-2; Matt 24:48-51)

    Matt 24:24-25 - For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 And unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [j]elect (“chosen ones” – Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9) those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the [o]elect (“chosen ones”).

    25 Behold, I have told you in advance.“

    Acts 20:29-31 - “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I never stopped warning each one of you with tears.”

    2 Pet 2:1-3 – “There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved ways, and the way of truth will be maligned because of them. 3 They will exploit you in their greed with made-up stories. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.

    1 Tim 4:1 – “Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2 through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared.”

    The book of Revelation was written after the destruction of Jerusalem.

    Rev 11:1-2 - Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who worship there. 2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations,[c] (“Gentiles”) and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

    The “Gentile” elder body that “represents the priesthood” is a doctrine that cannot be “challenged”. The “holy city” is New Jerusalem, the Temple of God, comprised of “living stones”. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Gal 4:26 The Wt. “Beast” has mentally, spiritually and emotionally, trampled the anointed “saints” through false doctrine, and threats of loss of family and friends, if they dare stand for the teachings of Jesus Christ. (John 16:2; Heb 13:13) Their “daily sacrifices” of praise to be offered from their heart, has been removed and replaced by a counterfeit priesthood in the elder body, who offer sacrifices of praise to an organizational idol, their fortress. (1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15; Mal 3:14-15; Dan 11:36,38;8:11,24; Rev 13:1-2,5-7,4) (Dan 8:25; 2 Thess 2:8)

    They, who should be the teachers (Mal 2:7) have been symbolically disrobed and silenced, mimicking what a wicked slave and entourage expect them to teach. We have ample proof that anything taught beyond the realm of the Wt., is considered apostasy.

    Dan 7:23-25; Rev 11:1-2; Dan 12:11

    Vanderhoven7 - Regarding the reference to "this generation" at Luke 21:32, Professor Joel B. Green notes: "In the Third Gospel, 'this generation' (and related phrases) has regularly signified a category of people who are resistant to the purpose of God.

    "A category of people". That's a good way to put it, but how broad is that category. We can look at the physical generation of the time of Christ, and we can also consider the two spiritual generations since Gen 3:15. Two seeds at war, that arise or “generate”.

    “Our father is Abraham,” they replied. “If you were Abraham’s children,” Jesus told them, “you would do what Abraham did. John 8:39

    41 You’re doing what your father does.” “We weren’t born of sexual immorality,” they said. “We have one Father—God.”

    42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I came from God and I am here. For I didn’t come on my own, but he sent me.

    They are part of a generation of vipers. Matt 12:34, two translations:

    “You offspring of vipers! How can you speak good things when you are evil (wicked)? For out of the fullness (the overflow, the superabundance) of the heart the mouth speaks.”

    “O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”

    “You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44

    Those who rightfully have as their Father, God, are of a righteous generation.

    Hallelujah!
    Happy is the person who fears the Lord,
    taking great delight in his commands.
    2 His descendants will be powerful in the land;
    the generation of the upright will be blessed. Psalm 112:1-2

    We are the physical offspring of our father and mother, one generation.

    We can choose our Father, God, and our mother, the new covenant/promise of life fulfilled in the completed Temple, with the Bride of Christ. (Gal 4:24,26,31; Rev 21:2), and be born of God's Spirit, or…we can choose Satan as our father, and the covenant promise of death – Babylon the Great, as our “mother”, and be born of Satan's spirit. (Isa 28:15,18)

    Each comprise one spiritual generation - a "crooked and twisted generation" - Deut 32:5; Acts 2:40

    Or, a righteous generation in imitation of God. Eph 5:1; Phil 2:15

  • Konagirl
    Konagirl

    Duran - Why would any truly anointed person accept false teachings and teach those teachings to others?

    Look at this translation for Matt 24:24-25 – “For false Christs shall arise, and false prophets, and will do wonderful miracles so that if it were possible, even God’s chosen ones would be deceived.”

    2 Thess 2: “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come.

    “What remarkable events Revelation chapter 12, verses 7 through 17, describes concerning “the Lord’s day” since 1914! W 92/5/1 p 17

    Who else but the Wt. has predicted so widely that the “Lord’s day” or that the “day of the Lord” came in 1914?

    2 Thess 2: “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.”

    Sitting indicates ruling with authority. (Luke 22:69) The elder body not anointed, rule over the anointed living stones of God’s spiritual Temple; and apparently, this authority cannot be challenged without suffering consequences.

    Reading Ezek 44:6-9 shows what happens when foreigners entered God physical temple, either taking over priestly duties, or simply profaning it by their presence. This is an abomination, and it is occurring once again in the Wt. (2 Chron 13:9; Num 3:10)

    1 Cor 3:16,17 - Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are.”

    2 Thess 2:7 – “The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with every kind of miracle, both signs and wonders serving the lie,

    False prophets were said to come and work great wonders, miracles and signs, deceiving the elect. Matt 24:24

    2 Thess 2: 10 and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12 so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but delighted in unrighteousness.

    Why would God “send” a strong delusion? Satan has demanded to sift the anointed as “wheat”, all of them from the first century. (Luke 22:31)

    Duran – “Your so-called anointed within JW land are not without blemish, and there was deceit in their mouth with those false teachings. Something that would never have happened if they tested what they were being taught before accepting it as true.”

    As you said, none of the sealed symbolic “144,000” were deceived. They were found blameless. (Rev 14:4-5) And as you said, this is not so with the remaining remnant of anointed in the last days. They are under a strong delusion of the lie that “Jehovah’s organization”, an idol, will lead them to salvation. (Rom 1:25) God allows this sifting of hearts, this choice of free will, just as was the case in the days of the Pharisees.

    The “144,000” sealed anointed did not worship the Beast or its image of “spirit directed” (Rev 13:4,15). Why? The Beast came after their time of testimony during their lifetimes when on earth, resulting in their beheading. When the Beast arose from the abyss, it’s false prophets (Rev 13:11,12) went to work “captivating” the remnant (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10).

    So, the 144,000 that never worshipped the Beast had nothing to do with it at all. But, scriptures tell us that the “great crowd” that comes out of the great tribulation spoken of in Matt 24:24,25, gain victory over the Beast.

    “Then I saw another great and awe-inspiring sign in heaven: seven angels with the seven last plagues; for with them God’s wrath will be completed. 2 I also saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had won the victory over the beast, its image, and the number of its name, were standing on the sea of glass with harps from God.” Rev 15:1-2

    They were disfellowshipped, spiritually “killed” for their testimony to Christ, (Rev 11:1-7,11,12; Zech 4:11-14) and by that testimony, they gained eternal life. They individually, conquered the devil. (Rev12:10) Do you see that it mentions the “number of its name”? That is the man of lawlessness that sits in the temple of God - the elder body who usurped the role of God's royal priesthood, spoken about in Rev 13:18 and 2 Thess 2:3,4.

    Not all anointed priests are willing to lose all that they have gained while in the organization. (Mark 8:35; Jer 5:30-31; Rev 18:4-8) Not all will let go of the idol. Rev 16:13-16

  • Duran
    Duran
    Look at this translation for Matt 24:24-25 – “For false Christs shall arise, and false prophets, and will do wonderful miracles so that if it were possible, even God’s chosen ones would be deceived.”

    Matt 24:24 [For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.]

    They are under a strong delusion of the lie that “Jehovah’s organization”, an idol, will lead them to salvation. (Rom 1:25) God allows this sifting of hearts, this choice of free will, just as was the case in the days of the Pharisees.

    2 Thess 2: 10-12 you cited above says that those that believe the LIE did not love the truth that is why they will believe the LIE. What that means then is those that love truth won't believe the LIE.

    I think it is safe to say that TRUE anointed love truth, therefore they would never believe the LIE/be deceived, so it will not be possible to lead them astray.

    Also, the MOL has not come on scene yet, so the LIE/test has not been put forth yet. The MOL is the same as the wild beast/8th king, KOTN, disgusting thing, KFIC, etc.

    9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, 12in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.

    4They worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?13And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people. 14Because of the signs it was given to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived those who dwell on the earth, telling them to make an image to the beast that had been wounded by the sword and yet had lived.

    20And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presencee had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.


  • Konagirl
    Konagirl

    Duran - I think it is safe to say that TRUE anointed love truth, therefore they would never believe the LIE/be deceived, so it will not be possible to lead them astray.

    So many who have left the organization believed they were “in the truth” only to find after waking up, that they were practicing the lie. Have you heard of Ray Franz? He was a genuine anointed one, and on the GB! He thought he was “in the truth”, until something clicked, and with God’s grace, the man fully awakened and gave a testimony of truth. (Isa 29:18-19) This led to his disfellowshipping, considered a spiritual “killing”. (Rev 6:9-11) In the long run, those who go through this test, come out as victors over the “Beast”. (Rev 2:10) Many anointed that I know, thought they were “in the truth” as well, and embraced it. It took time, sometimes years to realize we were trapped in the lie.

    Jer 5:26 - ‘For wicked men are found among My people,
    They watch like fowlers lying in wait;
    They set a trap,
    They catch men.

    2 Cor 11: "I wish you would put up with a little foolishness from me. Yes, do put up with me! For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy, because I have promised you in marriage to one husband—to present a pure virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your minds may be seduced from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if a person comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or you receive a different spirit, which you had not received, or a different gospel, which you had not accepted, you put up with it splendidly!

    Wasn’t Paul warning those that they were deceived into believing a lie? These ones, were not “blameless”.

    The scriptures warned the anointed and all continually, about not being deceived, not kowtowing to men, not believing in “another doctrine”. Jesus was perfect, but Satan still tested him in the wilderness. (Luke 4:1-13) The anointed are not perfect, and they sin just as anyone else. They must prove their worth, and many fall. (2 Pet 3:17-18) Satan knows our weak points, and he will try to use them against us to bring about our downfall.

    Col 2:18-19 “Let no one condemn you by delighting in ascetic practices and the worship of angels, claiming access to a visionary realm. Such people are inflated by empty notions of their unspiritual mind. 19 They don’t hold on to the head, from whom the whole body, nourished and held together by its ligaments and tendons, grows with growth from God.”

    These were anointed that fell away from their Head, Jesus Christ. So you see, Satan can lead the anointed into believing a powerful delusion. They learn to love the lie, over the truth in Christ.

    2 Cor 4:3,4 - "But if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case, the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. "

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange
    OK! What do wars, famines and pestilences symbolize? ~ Vander
    Famine- the widespread absence of spiritual truth/food.
    Pestilence- spiritual sickness. As described in 2 Timothy 3:1-7. Mentally & spiritually diseased.
    [ Wars] -Conflict between good & evil. Between Satan & Jesus's kingdom.

    Sky Daddy's will is to "save all men" and so he gives the "sign" of CJ's return BUT GIVES THE NOTICE IN SECRET CLUES THAT NO ONE CAN UNEQUIVOCALLY EXPLAIN.

    Hell yes! That makes sense!


  • Duran
    Duran
    Have you heard of Ray Franz? He was a genuine anointed one, and on the GB! until something clicked, and with God’s grace, the man fully awakened
    Many anointed that I know, thought they were “in the truth” as well, and embraced it.

    What proof as to Ray being anointed? Because you say so?

    Where are these anointed you know? How are they preaching and teaching the world?

    Again, as I said if one was truly anointed, they would have never embraced something false believing it was true. They would have known it was false to start with if they tested it first.

    And going back to Ray and saying something clicked and he was awakened, that is the case for most here and these are atheist, or at least don't believe the Bible. You don't claim they are anointed, do you?

    Wasn’t Paul warning those that they were deceived into believing a lie? These ones, were not “blameless”.

    Yes, it is said of them that they are deceived into believing the LIE because the LOVE OF THE TRUE was not in them. There is a judgment attached to believing the LIE. Judgment of death that is why it is said they will perish. This ties in with taking the mark.

    10 and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, 12 in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.


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