Sign of the Last Days

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  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Personally, I find the prophecy of renown scholar Peter Venkman much more convincing, "...dogs and cats living together...."

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  • BoogerMan

    @ Anony Mous - I never said "all" and neither does the scripture. Doesn't have to be "all."

    Example - the majority of the world's governments (not all) obeyed the "recommendations" of the unelected W.H.O. during the respiratory virus scenario. You saw how that unfolded!

    Guess WHO wants these "recommendations" turned into laws? The E.U. and the UK think it's a good idea!

  • Vidqun

    Anony Mous, there is one interesting exception. All 193 nations are members of the UN. Granted, it is toothless at this stage. But that might not be the case for much longer. As you might have noticed, WHO is interested in a biomedical security setup for the nations. And have you seen the UNESCO guidelines for the training of children in their "International Guidance for Sexuality"? Also most nations have signed the 2030 Development Goals. What will happen to those nations who cannot or will not comply to such "guidelines"?

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @Boogerman: the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast

    7Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

    16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    This certainly implies everyone participating in politics and commerce are required to worship/participate, further on the image of the beast slays everyone that does not.

    Hence the interpretation that it is the UN, is certainly incorrect because the UN is neither worshipped nor universally accepted. People vie for power within the UN and quite a few nation-states are not partially or fully participating in the UN, hell, the UN keeps certain countries out (eg. the democratically elected Republic of China, Somaliland just to name a few) just to appease other countries. And this is where these prophecies’ interpretations break down, you can never make any group of people completely cooperative, under no circumstances except to very small groups (the size of a town or village) under a free and open market (free from governments and open to all, which implies a pure anarcho-capitalism).

  • Vidqun

    Anony Mous, your definition of worship is too narrow. Greek word for worship extends to deities and kings as well as high officials. I do believe the UN is the best candidate to fill the shoes of the scarlet-colored wild beast (beast from the abyss). Its mark is a form of totalitarian control and it's plain to see that's what they are working towards. All will be expected to submit to its authority, but not all will comply.

    E.g., προσεκύνησα; from a basic sense bow down to kiss someone's feet, garment hem, or the ground in front of him (Friberg).

    προσκυνέω (κυνέω ‘to kiss’) impf. προσεκύνουν; fut. προσκυνήσω; 1 aor. προσεκύνησα (trag., Hdt.+. Freq. used to designate the custom of prostrating oneself before persons and kissing their feet or the hem of their garment, the ground, etc.; the Persians did this in the presence of their deified king, and the Greeks before a divinity or someth. holy.) to express in attitude or gesture one’s complete dependence on or submission to a high authority figure (BDAG).

    To give one's honour and allegiance to a higher power. To express by attitude and possibly by position one’s allegiance to and regard for a higher authority. See Louw-Nida.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    Correct, I understand the definition of worship here, however the Bible here says this control is total. The UN and every government strives to complete domination, yet they cannot attain it, because there are too many captains on the ship, cooks in the kitchen etc.

    The British Empire for example had more power back in its day over more people than the UN today does. I would suggest starting from scratch on all these interpretations, as remnants of WTBTS interpretation often poisons the mind.

    The UN is totally ineffectual, as is any congregation of people. The UN and WEF and similar organizations is an extension of socialism/communism into the world of politics, by definition it must fail in a capitalist world. Hence the beast cannot be based in those, it must be based in a unified approach to something else, capitalism sets up markets in opposition to each other. Therefore I can’t believe that the beast is pointing towards a modern day body politics or one that has arrived yet.

    There once was a body politics that had captured the entire ‘known’ world, and that was when this scripture was written, the Romans seemingly had captured all of the known world. Hence I believe the interpretation must be in its own day when scripture was written and the beast was a form of government (Roman senate) that breathed life into another form of government (the Roman dictator).

  • SydBarrett

    These sort of discussions about "prophecy" remind me of being 10 years old and having serious discussions around the lunch table about whether the blasters in Star Wars were some sort of plasma weapon or were they ion cannons?

    Really? Grown adults actually taking seriously the obvious nonsense that is "bible prophecy"?

    Allow me to prophecy. At some time in the next year there will be days where it rains. And days when it's sunny. It will also get cold for a while then get warm again. Also there will be reports of snow somewhere and reports of drought elsewhere..

    Hallelujah! For he is Lord!

  • Vidqun

    Here's one for you, Syd. Not bad for a 2,000 year old prophecy. It's one you can look out for.

    11 Then I saw another beast coming up from the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but was speaking like a dragon.

    13 He performed momentous signs, even making fire come down from heaven in front of people (Rev. 13:11, 13 NET)

  • FedUpJW

    At some time in the next year there will be days where it rains. And days when it's sunny. It will also get cold for a while then get warm again. Also there will be reports of snow somewhere and reports of drought elsewhere..

    That's just "climate change".

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