How does the Govering Body get enlightenment?

by no-zombie 40 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Listener, 1935 has an interesting background as the terminus ante quem of the first resurrection.

    In the November 15, 1933 Watchtower (pp. 339-345) it discussed Jesus' parable of the vineyard where all the labourers are given payment of a penny/denarius at the end of the day, regardless of how long they have spent in the vineyard. In the article it identified the start of the day as 1919, and the end of the day (12 hours later) as 1931 (12 years later). The payment of a penny/denarius was identified as the new name of Jehovah's witnesses.

    So there was some scriptural justification to believe the heavenly calling had ended by 1931.

    The Question from Readers in the May 1, 2007 Watchtower says

    For many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly Kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with Christ in 1930 and 1931 were “the last” called. (Matthew 20:6-8) However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed.

    So that scriptural justification fell away. The Question from Readers goes on to say :

    After [1935, when the Great Crowd was identified], the thrust of the disciple-making work turned to the gathering in of the great crowd. Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.

    This was based on the fact that one of the 24 elders (representing the 144,000) revealed the identity of the great crowd to John (Revelation 7:13-15). Therefore by the time the great crowd was identified (in 1935) the first resurrection must have begun. But there doesn't seem to be any scriptural reason to believe that the heavenly call had ended then, only circumstance.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    The governing body meet each and every Wednesday,,which is today. With heartfelt prayer,, use of the bible Gods word and harmonious discussions amongst themselves.

    Thats how.

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    "The governing body meet each and every Wednesday,,which is today. With heartfelt prayer,, use of the bible Gods word and harmonious discussions amongst themselves.

    "Thats how."

    The sarcasm is strong in this one!

    Given their claims, they should be held to a higher standard of proof for the source of their doctrines, pronouncements, etc. than "I feel somewhat guided".

  • Listener
    Listener

    Ernest, you say there doesn’t seem to be any scriptural reason to believe that the heavenly calling ended in 1935, only circumstance. There is no circumstance to prove it ended then. Neither is there any scriptural reason for the great crowd being identified in 1935 or for the resurrection beginning some time between 1918 and 1935. None.

    You say it is fact that one of the 24 elders revealed the identity of the great crowd to John. How could they reveal it to him if none of them were even in heaven at the time?

  • Rattigan350
    Rattigan350

    The heavenly calling didn't end in 1935, that is when the focus of the preaching work was to gather the great crowd.

    However it was clear that the 144,000 was filled by that time. The first resurrection started in 1918 after the heavens were cleansed.

    Why does there need to be "scriptural reason to believe that the heavenly calling ended in 1935"? In Acts 10 was there scriptural reason to believe that the gentiles were to be let into the fold? No. An angel gave cornelius the message and also to Peter.

  • Listener
    Listener

    Rattigan, the point is, none of this guess work is found in scripture and the problem is, where is it from? The Watchtower says they think some of it is from the anointed, in heaven, by ones who were resurrected beginning sometime between 1918 and 1935 but they are not sure.

    The Governing Body are getting spirit communications but they don’t know who they come from.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    The years 1914, 1918, 1919, 1925, 1935, 1975 & 2000...WT/JW devotee Rattigan350 won't find any of these dates/years in the Bible.

    But, what Rattigan350 will find in the Bible is:

    "Do not go beyond the things that are written..." (1 Corinthians 4:6)

    By way of summary: Everything a believer says should be based on Biblical truth.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    ...Again to those thick-headed JWs:

    "Do not go beyond the things that are written..." (1 Corinthians 4:6).

    Capiche!

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister

    The Great Replacement Theory ;)

    This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.

    This always confused me. Given that anointed ones by their very definition are unlikely to "fall" out of grace undeserved kindness, the number of replacements must have always been mighty small. Ok. Maybe we can accept there'll be a few (we did). But even in the 80s and 90s (when this theory was still believed by many) those numbers must have dwindled to nothing simply because all the anointed had mostly died.

    So how are there still being "replacements" created? And in such numbers!! Surely you have to be alive on earth to sin?! Or did this mean those with the heavenly calling were sinning up in heaven ??!!😳

  • Biahi
    Biahi

    Dio, those so-called “replacements” are just “mentally ill” people, according to the WT.

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