SECRET RECORDING 14TH APRIL:RALPH WALLS: MORE CHANGES ARE COMING!

by raymond frantz 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Halcon

  nicolau- its not the JW's fault, it's the source material. Taking several steps back and observing Christians debating and disagreeing on interpretations of scripture you soon realise what the real problem is. No-one is rooted in reality, it's all a house of cards, sandcastles, pie in the sky.

  The source material is pretty uniform, it's the interpretations that are all over the place.

  The scriptures clearly state God is one, and created all things. We are created in his image. And so it follows that we all have a measure of his divinity in us. The scriptures, however, never claim that we will ascend to be as equal to God in generating our own life source.
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  Listener

  Halcon - What a claim. What scriptures did he use to support this?

  He didn't use any scriptures and it is the first time I have heard that the anointed were going to receive their own source of life and energy.

  Being given incorruptible bodies is in their literature but I can't find anything to show that receiving their own source of life is in there.

  I did find the following about Jesus -

  Watchtower 62 10/1

  36 The title “father” means a male parent, and a male parent means a progenitor, an author or source, one who begets or brings forth offspring. Since God was the Father of Jesus, was Jesus also dependent upon God for life? Only Jesus’ own words could give a convincing answer to this question. Note now these words of Jesus: “The dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.” (John 5:25, 26, AV) God as the Father is the Source of life; and he gives to his Son the privilege to have life in himself. We can therefore appreciate what John 1:4, 5 (AV) says of the Word or Logos: “In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”

  They further state in the article that as Jesus has his own source of life, he is the power to resurrect and was given those keys.

  But whether they moved away from this teaching is not clear. There are numerous articles before and after this that state that only Jehovah is the source of life.
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  Earnest

  In the Question from Readers in the September 15, 2003 Watchtower it distinguishes between Jesus as having "life in himself" (John 5:26), meaning he can impart life to others, and his followers as having "life in themselves" (John 6:53), meaning having everlasting life. This applies to the anointed when they are resurrected to heavenly life, and to the rest of Christ's followers after the end of the thousand years.
  
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  Halcon

  Listener-They further state in the article that as Jesus has his own source of life, he is the power to resurrect and was given those keys.

  It makes sense that God would bestow this ability to his Son, for obvious reasons.

  Earnest -in the September 15, 2003 Watchtower it distinguishes between Jesus as having "life in himself" (John 5:26), meaning he can impart life to others, and his followers as having "life in themselves" (John 6:53

  This interpretation is more straight forward and clear, life simply meaning existing vs not existing.

  Ty Listener for further clarifying that no actual Scriptures were used by the speaker. The notion that God would ascend the 144k to such a degree so as to be just like him is rather neoplatonist.

  It's saying that if God chooses to destroy you, you can just regenerate yourself back to existence. What an absurd idea.