A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman 70 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • waton
    waton
    Since the heavenly hope was the only “calling” throughout the centuries

    Fm: really? Peter, the rock, wrote of "awaiting a New heaven and a NEW EARTH."

    At the last supper, Jesus served the emblems to people with an earthly hope. billions partook since, the fact that they did not believe in the overlapping groups does not matter. Wt doctrine, or any amalgam of it, is erroneous and irrelevant to the great universal scheme.

    With "heaven" having so many meanings, how about a material heavenly hope, seeding life on trillions of heavenly bodies with heavenly (perfect} bodies, carrying proven good qualities from the experience here, -- revived there?

    Who says there are only 144 000 places ? that elite numbers is just the Groom's entourage (wherever he goes) There were already millions and millions of angels, , and possible places (many mansions) for that many more newcomers.

    imho. you are taking this house of cards structure of the talking snake story too seriously. The magnificent universe before us tells a more glorious picture than that pathetic tale's denouement. .

  • Mikejw
    Mikejw

    I have heard of an elder who is quite new in the truth with lots of tattoos and he just became an elder and now professes a heavenly hope

    him and his young wife started partaking in emblems

    now his son has just left school and been disfellowshipped for being gay

    surely people are wondering if Jehovah would choose someone like that to be the 144000

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    I didn’t “know” that at all.

    John 8:32

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    surely people are wondering if Jehovah would choose someone like that to be the 144000

    People shouldn’t wonder since anointed christians in the first century did worse. Up to God whom he chooses.


  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    Who says there are only 144 000 places•

    Rev 14:3 limited#

  • waton
    waton
    Who says there are only 144 000 places•
    Rev 14:3 limited#

    Fm: right, that description is limited to the environment around the "Lamb". Surely you are not ignorant of the vast areas and timeframes of "heavenly" happenings ? not to speak of the other open biblical heavens, the bird's domain and the cosmos, from which "satan" is expelled, but that is being explored by his subjects?

    The heavens are not limited to the 144 000. but

    like the mothers of james and John, in Jesus day, wt likes to think it can stack that limited area around Jesus with its adherents.

    sacrificial death is required (Rev,20) , not partaking. all should slurp and nibble, . jesus served it to all, all earthly hopers. (even he had the right to life on earth, that he sacrificed).

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Where in scripture do you find Christians who are not in the New Covenant, not entitled to partake of the emblems of Christ's death, not born of the Spirit and bereft of a heavenly hope?

  • shepherdless
  • waton
    waton
    Where in scripture do you find Christians who are not in the New Covenant, not entitled to partake

    wt is so ego- centered that they can not see that all members of the 12 tribes of the "israel of god" are in the new covenant, for forgiveness of sins,

    that is not the kingdom covenant.

    all memorial talk always lack the proof scriptures that the kingdom covenant holders only are also exclusively in the general new covenant, that jump over the chasm between the kingdom covenant and new covenant is always an astonishing flaw. .

    Even if there is an Earthly or exoplanet hope, partaking is still one of the universally christian ritual, as is baptism minus the organisation bit, a detail that jesus never mentioned, in fact discouraged.

  • Chezdale
    Chezdale

    Hello Shepherdless..

    I Love that image. Do you have a higher resolution one I could print?

    Chezdale

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