There is no Holy Spirit.
This is what made me see that the religion is bull. There was an elder in the hall i grep in that was an alcoholic and a wife beater. Everyone knew he was. My own dad had seen him punch his wife in the face and confronted him for it. Dad was suddenly removed as an MS a week later... funny that.
As for me, i was the stand-in talk guy for when the speaker didn't turn up, read the WT on the platform, did prayers... while also having a huge porn collection, being a Marilyn Manson fan, swearing, smoke weed on occasion and looking up this site while actually in the KH on their wifi.
Holy spirit is either on our side or doesn't exist.
What sometimes concerns me is that some ex JWs still imagine holy spirit exists. Of course at the point of departure from the org we still are bound to carry some of the old baggage with us but "holy spirit" takes the biscuit as a ludicrous childish joke.
Just how far removed from concrete reality is the whole religion business? There is no tangible evidence for spirits in the first place let alone the magic spirit of a spirit.
To believe in fairy dust you have to believe in fairies.
@Half banana "To believe in fairy dust you have to believe in fairies."
It's a pity you can't publish a sentence. I'm convinced that one would be a best seller.
I got told by an elder I was grieving gods holyspirit, then I said if my wife is in agreement with me is she grieving it to which he replied yes. There you go , Jw clergy class can tell the flow of spirit . It's all a case of boogie man stories.
I always was a bit mystified about the Holy Spirit and never really got a satisfactory answer as to what it is.
The Holy Spirit is not a person... to be mocked. It is a force... to be reckoned with! How do you know it isn't God's plan to use you in some way? There is time for all of us to repent and serve Jehovah with a complete heart.
I like the comment where how could there be a Holy Spirit if most of the brothers can't remember names. So true they even forget their wives names. They call their wives honey, darling, or other pet names.
So let's explore the Holy Spirit. Jw's say it's a force others say it's the third part of the trinity. Ummm what could it be or what whom could it be? For lurkers and those who still believe in God but not the God the org. portrays. Let's take a look at what the Bible says, shall we. It's always good to use the Bible for those lurk or those Jw's that need proof. They can call you an apostate if they want to but all you have to do is use the Bible and let their brains short circuit and all you did was show them a scripture. Acts 13:2: as they ministered to Jehovah (see that's wrong right there. It should read as the ministered about Jehovah how do you minister God. What do he need from us. Anyway back to the scripture "and fasting the Holy Spirit (in small letters) SAID, set aside for ME Barnabas and Saul for the work I have called them. The Holy Spirit is supposed to help you do what you can't do. You have to ask for it. It's a helper. But you have to ask for it. The Jw's can't ask for it because they are told what it is which makes no sense and that's why they don't get no help.
So by this one scripture we see the Holy Spirit is a what? That's how you approach it with a fellow Jw and leave it there to mess with their brains. Once I asked them about one of the books in the Bible where the character died but I asked who wrote this book in the Bible if the person died and was able to tell of the events that happened after their death, the Jw said the dead man. But I said it seemed the story was told in the 3rd person. That's when I knew most witnesses have pretzel logic.
Now is there a Holy Spirit, that's a personal question because some people didn't let the org take away their beliefs. We all have our reasons for believing or not believing, I am not here to judge anyone. We must not allow the org to make us bitter but if we were able to survive and get out it should make us better not bitter.
I came to realize there was no holy spirit, at least in this Org. when I was appointed an elder, and I saw the fucked up decisions the body came up with.
Hoser : It reminds me of Jim Morison's song with the Doors called " Soft Parade " .
He starts : , " When I was back there in seminary school , someone put forth the proposition that you can ' petition the lord with prayer, petition the lord with prayer, petition the lord with prayer. " Then he adds, " you cannot petition the lord with prayer ! "
Then the minor chords come in on Ray Manzareks piano- beautiful song, Great message. Kind of how I see it as well. Peace out, Mr. Flipper