some times, other ex-jw's piss me off, not sure....

by jwbot 36 Replies latest members adult

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    Ok, one of my annoyances are ex-jw's (or reinstated ones) that left purely to be "bad" (none of these things I label as bad, but maybe destructive behavior, for example: irresponsible promescuity, drugs, etc.). They engaged in destructive behaviors and basically, made ones who left for what I think to be <i>real</i> reasons, like finally understanding the hipocrazy of the org, etc. Before I get flamed, I will try to explain, because I think some of you might agree.

    On my livejournal, I get a couple types of people that post replies to me. Those that support me, (yay), JW's who flame me, etc. But one type is the ex-jw or reformed jw who goes on a rant about how "leaving the truth ruined their lives" because they became addicted to drugs, had a billion sex partners, went to clubs and almost always ended up in the hospital. Just justifying the horrid religion in their eyes, how it "protected" them. There are also a couple ex-jw's in my area who left because they "just wanted to have fun", the latter bothers me less, because even though I find it sad they just don't have convictions, the fact that they are out is great, and maybe they will mature. It just makes ex-jw's who are responsable, educated, etc, look bad. It frustrates me that my parents and any other JW's think that I will turn into a disease ridden prostitute just because I "don't have God", etc. and "look what happened to Jamie, now shes back and realised the error of her ways" or "that John kid is dead now because he left". It mirrors high school students, finally out of the house, and going to college who GO WILD because, all of a sudden, their parents are not around. I see that happens to some ex-jw's, that all of a suddent, they can do those "bad things". ooo

    Now, before you guys think I am all self-rightious, I am not. Thats why I put quotation marks around the word "bad" because morality, ethics, etc, are all relative. We all have our own sets of morals. I am bi, I get told I am immoral a lot. Anyway, I feel that if your actions do not affect others in a negative way, thenits your choice. Obviously, OD'ing on Crack is not a great thing to do. Problem is, if 1 ex-jw does that, then we are all condenmed before we even do anything.

    My question is: Does that behavior happen more often than normal, like how a newly independant teenager would act? Does the society just blow the "Ann left the religion and took drugs and got raped and then new the error of her ways and has repented and doesn't satan make things look so nice" bull crap? I certainly get a lot of it on my livejournal...*sigh* Do any of you run into an ex-jw that acts like that and does it piss you off?

    Sometimes I just feel that they left the religion for the "wrong" reason if that is possible. Like, they should have left because maybe they didnt like women getting treated crappy, or that they feel the bible was getting translated all wrong, or that an elder molests girls and doesnt get in trouble, ANYTHING but "Oh I just wanted to watch rated R movies and bang billy on the football team and have fun". It just sounds irresponsible.

    Whats everyones thoughts on this? I am not exactly decided myself, so most everything I said is not my hard-and-fast conclusions on the matter. Thanks.

  • concerned mama
    concerned mama

    At the risk of sound pompous, it would seem to me that the best revenge on the WT would be to live a good life. Successful, happy,and showing that your wise morals and ethics come from inside yourself, not from the WT. Self destructive behavior seems kind of pointless.

    I know, I've never been JW, so I can't possibly understand.

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    And I agree completely concerned mom. It isnt THE reason why I <i>try</i> to be successful in life, the reasons are obvious, but it is certainly a good bonus, knowing that I will be happier and more successful than any JW's I know, because I am being true to myself.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    The ex-jw who leaves simply to have sex outside of marriage, smoke, try drugs etc, are the ones who are more likely to go back to the Borg, because they haven't left mentally or spiritually. They have simply left for what could be described as "selfish" reasons.

    The ex-jw who leaves because they realise the Borg's doctrines are wrong, they see the hypocrisy and lack of love, they learn about the abuse coverups etc, are out for more definite reasons, and they seem to have more of a spiritual side to them (that's just my observations). If a jw tries to emotionally-blackmail them into coming back, this kind of ex-jw is more likely to succeed in resisting such tactics, whereas the first kind of ex-jw would be more likely to fold under pressure.

    I know what you mean when you say that those who have a million partners, go into drugs, whatever, make it harder for those of us who live a more positive lifestyle, because our jw family then presumes the worst, that we will end up a drug-ridden prostitute with 3 kids with no fathers.

    I know my family assumed the worst when I told them I no longer believed in the Borg. However, that has made me more determined to live a full and happy life, to show that just because I have left the Borg, doesn't mean I have left all moral restraint.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    The ex-jw who leaves simply to have sex outside of marriage, smoke, try drugs etc, are the ones who are more likely to go back to the Borg, because they haven't left mentally or spiritually. They have simply left for what could be described as "selfish" reasons. The ex-jw who leaves because they realise the Borg's doctrines are wrong, they see the hypocrisy and lack of love, they learn about the abuse coverups etc, are out for more definite reasons, and they seem to have more of a spiritual side to them.

    Spot on, Pris! I couldn't have put it better myself. I guess I would add, though, that no matter what the reason for one becoming an exDub, it's where they are now that counts.

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • micheal
    micheal

    Isn't it truly liberating when you leave for the "right" reasons. Right now I could not be any happier!! I feel like a millions pounds has been lifted off of my shoulders!

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    I try not to define what is "right" and what is "wrong", but like Prisca mentioned, if someone leaves just to have some fun for a while, they will probably end up folding under pressure and returning, it will be so much more detramental to their health.

    If you are not leaving because of the so many reasons all of you have mentioned, and the overall evilness of the organization, then you just are not beling true to yourself. One will probably end up getting depressed, feeling guilty, and hurt their mental health. This happened to my sister. She repented and went back and is now more self-rightous than ever! I question the integrety of someone who left because they just got caught in the "bad" things they were doing, or because they wanted to run wild.

    I will note that it is certainly a bonus to experiment with certain experiences and not suffer the wrath of an elder, but that definitely should not be the only reason to leave.

    I am so glad it seems a lot of you feel the same way, probably because you are all educated in this regard.

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    I think the reason why some go to drugs,sex, drink, they dont know any where to go... They feel they are "bad" for leaving ( no matter what "sin" they are supposed to have done).So they just go wild. Like that bird let lose from the cage They fly into walls etc" They couldnt do this --they couldnt do that.So when they are ousted they have nothing to live for THEY THINK..So they figure they are going to die so might as well "enjoy "it while they can.... I have a group - & to hear some of their stories when they left is sad. They lost all their family ..No one was talking to them- they still thought it was truth- they just couldnt live up to it.... Any way it doesnt matter what reasons they got out of it --The JW will still talk about them as evil people -I was kicked out cos I dont believe Jesus came in 1914- they have spread such lies about me. .If the folks they tell -can get their names I intend to sue for defamation of Character.But when the are questioned for their name they prefer not to give it...

  • Brummie
    Brummie

    It doesnt pee me off to see some acting that way. Considering their background its not surprising that some jump into drugs etc, they are under the impression that they are going to die anyway with the birds pecking their eyes out, so they are just living it up until the great A takes place.

    Its their life and they should be allowed to live it how they want, they will face the consequences of bad actions if they do anything bad, it has nothing to do with anyone else.

    In the past the WT made all their decisions for them, now they are making their own, they will make mistakes but each of us has to learn from our own mistakes so let them be.

    Brummie

  • jws
    jws

    I know what you're saying and there are 2 types of people who leave. Those that couldn't follow the rules and those who find out the organization is not salvation. And I can understand the conflict. One left because they elevated themselves. They've learned. The other could not follow rules they believed in and it seems they're weak and that they've lowered themselves.

    I think I've been both places. After I turned 18, I wasn't the ideal JW and did things that should have gotten me DFed if they were known. But then I learned the truth about JWs and decided to leave. After which, my bad behavior actually mellowed for a while. I still did things that could have gotten me DFed, but not to the same extent or with the same fervor. Sometimes it wasn't as fun to be bad when it was no longer "bad". So the point is, maybe the JWs do drive you to that behavior to act out. For some reason, acting out sure felt good.

    I guess I still think though, that it's better to leave because of convictions and not out of weakness. For some, the bad behavior does lead them to problems and mistakes that can ruin their lives. Just because JWs banned some things doesn't necessarily mean they were wrong about the dangers, like smoking, for instance.

    And I think that not being able to live by some sort of code of conduct does make a person unrespectable. I'm not saying it has to be the same code of conduct the JWs teach, but if you can find your own set of values and those values aren't destructive to yourself or others, then great. And if, for the most part, you can live by those standards, then you deserve respect. If you can't, then you are weak and don't deserve respect.

    As for ex-JWs, there will always be somebody who makes a spectacle of breaking JW rules. And even if there's only one such person, that's all the JWs need to hold them up as an example of why not to leave.

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