Seems odd that the Bible never mentions Pryamids?

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  • jwfacts

    Isaiah 19:19-20;

    "In that day there will prove to be an altar to Jehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to Jehovah beside its boundary. 20 And it must prove to be for a sign and for a witness to Jehovah of armies in the land of Egypt; for they will cry out to Jehovah because of the oppressors, and he will send them a savior, even a grand one, who will actually deliver them."

    Russell thought Isaiah 19 was referring to the great Pyramid, though it is strange that it is not more direct reference to it.

  • truthseeker100
    My spelling is atrocious but isn't spelled Pyramids?
  • fulltimestudent

    jwfacts: "In that day there will prove to be an altar to Jehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to Jehovah beside its boundary.

    Hmm! few know that the Jews also had a temple in Egypt. It was located at the Jewish colony at Elephantine.

    In 2004, the Brooklyn Museum of Art created a display entitled "Jewish Life in Ancient Egypt: A Family Archive From the Nile Valley," which featured the interfaith couple of Ananiah, an official at the temple of Yahou (a.k.a. Yahweh), and his wife, Tamut, who was previously an Egyptian slave owned by a Jewish master, Meshullam.[6][7] Some related exhibition didactics of 2002 included comments about significant structural similarities between Judaism and the ancient Egyptian religion and how they easily coexisted and blended at Elephantine.[8]

    Much information of this colony comes from papyrus documents that have been found

    So how about this statement?

    The papyri suggest that, "Even in exile and beyond, the veneration of a female deity endured."[9] The texts were written by a group of Jews living at Elephantine near theNubian border, whose religion has been described as "nearly identical to Iron Age II Judahite religion".[10] The papyri describe the Jews as worshiping Anat-Yahu (or AnatYahu). Anat-Yahu is described as either the wife[11] (or paredra, sacred consort)[12] of Yahweh or as a hypostatized aspect of Yahweh.[13][14]

    Both comments are extracts from a Wikipedia entry:

    The history of Israel and Judah is quite different to the Bible accounts.

  • Crazyguy

    Most of the old testament was written while the Jews we're in exile in Babylon then after during the Persian period, that's my belief. Babylon is farther away from Egypt the Jerusalem and during their excile Egypt had very little influence in the Levant. Most of the stories in Genesis come from the Mesopotamian part of the world not Egyptian. Even the story of Moses starts out as he being put in to a basket and floated down the river this is the same as the story of Sargon of Akkad. The laws are probably taken from most likely Hammurabi laws. Some of the proverbs came from Nineveh.

    But the influence of Egypt is unmistakable, Solomon is an Egyptian name and his temple was similar in construction to several in Egypt. Baptism, cercumsision, the Ark of the covenant, the staff and cepter all influenced or copied from Egypt. The idea of monotheism also came from a Pharaoh named Akkenaten. One can tell that Egypt and Babylon influenced early Judaism, but there no mistaking that their early Gods and human sacrifice came from their ancestors the Canaanites.

  • EndofMysteries
    fulltime - what you just posted would match with Jeremiah I think it was around chap 58 when he condemns them for worshipping the 'queen of the heavens' and making cakes and sacrifices for her, yet they reply that if they stop then bad things happen.
  • Mephis

    There isn't really much directly referencing the pyramids at Giza in any written sources until the Hellenistic period and Herodotus' account.

    That's not really unusual for ancient buildings. The largest tomb known in Greece, and what appears to be a major cult site, is currently under excavation at Amphipolis. Nobody seems to have bothered mentioning it in any works about Macedonia or Thrace or Greece or even the city itself. People didn't write travel guides til much later. Your best bet for references to buildings is when someone has a trumpet to blow about what part they played in its construction or in its maintenance. 'I did that' sort of thing in an inscription somewhere around the building itself etc.

    The one thing which the Israelites are meant to have built in Egypt which can be identified with some certainty is the city of Ramesses (Pi-Ramesses). Sadly it doesn't fit the biblical chronology, it was built a century and more after the Exodus is meant to have happened, nor was it a store city - it was actually a royal summer city and then the capital for a period. Someone was likely aware of the ruins to create the little backstory for them at a later date though.

  • Zoos
    prologos: ...and built during the making of Noah's ark, competing in time and material.

    Is there some evidence that these time frames line up? Has there been a thread on this topic?

    I'd be interested in reading more.

  • Crazyguy
    The flood was thought to have happend about 2400bce the big pyramid built about 2650 bce, notice no water lines or damage
  • kepler

    Some really good points pro and con above. Have come to wonder about this too.

    For beside the Exodus, in Genesis we've got periodic business trips to Egypt by Joseph's family and Abraham. Much like taking a trip from the country to the big cities for trade.

    It has been pointed out that an anachronism in Genesis is the reference to camel caravans (23 times), including Abraham's use of such. Archeologists attribute camel caravans to Assyrians circa 900 BC and that's about the earliest they've found evidence for their use in the Mediterranean, coming in from the east. Earlier it was either donkey or horses.

    Even with the cities of Pithom and Rameses, there are problems with the description of Jewish labor with mud bricks and thatch. Egyptians built monolithic structures of sandstone. It was the Babylonians which did the former. I suspect, as do others, that much of the early Bible books were transcribed during the Babylonian era whether the traditions originated in Canaan as a local revolt - or had some origin in Egypt as well.

    The origin of Moses also parallels that of Sargon I of Babylonia.(2334-2279 BC), supposedly set adrift by his mother in a basket of reeds.

    The names of the months for the Hebrew calendar are similar to the names of the Babylonian calendar, not the Egyptian - which was solar rather than lunar.

    What we have in preserved ( e.g from an archeological dig) writing from the time of Joshua is zero. Of David's time - well we have a sign that says house of David.

    But, of course, everything in the Bible is inerrant, first hand retelling of the event and literal.

  • Malachi Constant
    Malachi Constant

    Russell's pyramid theory appears to fit his interests. Overall, the role of numerology in the plan of ages as "found" by him seems to be even more important than the wt society would like to admit, besides mentioning them in the "history books". After reading CTR's books, based on these and his personal history I have been wondering whether inside him there always was lurking a small skeptic.

    After finding the teachings of major churches being against common sense, especially the eternal hellfire, Russell at some point was leaning to freethinkers. Nevertheless, he began searching for his own bible interpretation. Originally a business man, so doing calculations was not that strange for him, he looked for previously unknown possibilities in the bible (and why not since in the bible there are some prophetic visions containing times to look for), mainly tweaking calculations done by others. In addition he also learned about pyramidology, not his invention either.

    This way he had three calculations pointing (approximately) to the years 1874 and 1914: one based on the jubilee years, another on the seven ages and the third one on the great pyramid. When all three appeared to be (he managed to make them to be) consistent, he felt he had the evidence he had been searhing for. Could one had been enough for him? Possibly not.

    Just one, evidently wrong, calculation is enough for the society today.

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