There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting 148 Replies latest jw friends

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Finkelstein you are assuming that the bible and god is a myth based on your personal beliefs.

    No I don't believe in anything, my assertion is based upon scientifically acquired knowledge in involving Archeology, Geology, Biology and human psychology to name a few.

    You have no evidence whatsoever to back your own assertion.

    You tried to support Creation by Deity by implying some scientists have proof of creation from a supernatural source.

    That not to say nature in itself is not awe inspiring , it is !

  • Viviane
    Viviane
    Well we COULD be a little less harsh on Hope here.

    So.... Asking for proof and saying we disagree with someone telling us we're all wrong and all evidence is wrong is harsh?

    Points of scientific method aside, the real question asked is, if everything came from nothing, then what created the nothing? It's as old a question as the chicken and the egg.

    What do you mean by "nothing"? There is literally not example of "nothing" in the universe.

    Many physicists are talking now about the 'God particle,' subatomic anomalies that cannot be explained with current scientific models. They operate outside the known laws of physics and perhaps are doorways to other dimensions.

    That is not at all what the God particle its. It's the Higgs boson, a particle that creates a field that gives other particles mass. It was predicted BY the known laws of physics.

    Also, based on observations, the laws we know about and using mathematical particles, we KNOW there are more particles out there.

    They simply can't express that view publicly, as it would cause them to lose credibility in the scientific community.

    Wrong again. What they lose credibility for is bringing their religious beliefs into the lab.


  • HopeEverLasting
    HopeEverLasting

    OnTheWayOut Science cannot and I repeat cannot explain what caused the formation in the first place. It can only attempt to explain the how but not what triggered the trigger.

  • HopeEverLasting
    HopeEverLasting

    Viviane you still don't know what caused these planets to come to be formed. There's your evidence.

  • HopeEverLasting
    HopeEverLasting

    Zaccheus there's a lot of scientists such as the people here who just jump to conclusions just to disbelieve in God without taking in consideration the evidence.

  • Viviane
    Viviane
    Viviane you still don't know what caused these planets to come to be formed. There's your evidence.

    Gravity and light elements are what caused it. But, even if we didn't know, "God" isn't the answer to I don't know.

  • A Ha
    A Ha
    if everything came from nothing, then what created the nothing? It's as old a question as the chicken and the egg.

    Well, it seems common sense that there is no need for "nothing" to be created, but the idea that "nothing isn't really nothing"*--at least to cosmologists--is gaining a lot of traction, so that wouldn't really answer your concern. But even if the question is valid for chickens and eggs doesn't mean it's valid for the universe as a whole.

    Why can't it come from nothing?: There is no logical or metaphysical reason that the Universe couldn't have come into existence, uncaused. It seems like it would need to, based on our experience of everyday things inside the universe, but that doesn't mean it's the case of the universe itself. The appearance of the universe could just be an uncaused event.

    Who says it isn't eternal?: Physicists are not at all convinced that the universe isn't eternal. (In fact, the most simple/best QM models are of an eternal universe, and it's what most cosmologists favor.)

    A common paper by a trio of physicists that is often misapplied by a particular apologist/debater concludes that the universe began to exist (and this is coupled with our common-sense notion that all things must begin to exist). But it doesn't really conclude that the universe began to exist, it basically assumes the universe began to exist. One of the two big assumptions of the paper is that the average expansion rate of the universe is greater than 0. If you make that assumption, than a beginning of the classical universe (the "Newtonian" universe we're all used to thinking about, not the Quantum Universe) must follow as a simple result of the math.

    But that doesn't mean the universe as a whole began to exist at the Big Bang. The Big Bang marks the expansion of the classical universe. This gets confusing, talking about the Quantum Universe vs the Classical Universe, but we have to keep in mind that Newtonian physics has severe limitations--especially at the high temp/gravity/energy state of the early universe. The Big Bang Model cannot touch the moment of the Big Bang or before it (if there was a before); that's when you need to explore QM.

    So, unfortunately, the answer to your question is "That's not a good question." It makes two big--and likely incorrect--assumptions that kind of push it toward a particular answer.

    Many physicists are talking now about the 'God particle,' subatomic anomalies that cannot be explained with current scientific models. They operate outside the known laws of physics and perhaps are doorways to other dimensions.

    "The God Particle" is the nickname given to the Higgs boson, a particle that gives all matter its mass. It was called that because it is extremely important to arriving at a complete model of reality, but it was very elusive. The Higgs boson was discovered in 2012.

    I think these "subatomic anomalies" you're talking about are fluctuations in vacuum energy, but they are explained by scientific models (however, they are unpredictable.) They don't operate outside the laws of physics and don't have anything to do with extra dimensions.

    They simply can't express that view publicly, as it would cause them to lose credibility in the scientific community.

    I know this is kind of a throwaway line, but it's a bit silly and rather offensive. If you're a good scientist, you'll have credibility. There are tons of scientists who are unabashed theists and it hasn't hurt their careers at all. This seems to me to be nothing more than propaganda started by theists to explain why most scientists (especially in the hard sciences) aren't believers. Kenneth Miller comes to mind as a scientist (biologist at Brown University) who is very vocal about his belief, and yet is very highly regarded as a biologist.

    * For a discussion of this, you can read A Universe From Nothing, by Lawrence Krauss, or look for his lectures by that name on YouTube

  • HopeEverLasting
    HopeEverLasting

    Viviane what made the gravity and light? The only logical answer is God.

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow
    hope: The only logical answer is God

    Please define 'God'

  • A Ha
    A Ha

    HEL why do you say gravity and light must have been made. The only honest answer is you can't say that.

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