Hawkaw, I never said that I knew all about all the facts of the trial. You still assume a lot and continue to be abusive even though I have not returned your abuse. I have not lied, nor have I made any attempt to be misleading in any of my questions. To my knowledge I haven't made any false accusations about the Berry case. I may not know all the facts, but neither do you. As far as my comments about Vicki's trial I have not knowingly made any false statements. You have only accused me of knowing more than I do and lying about hiding facts I didn't know. Shame on you.
Gee I can hardly wait for your comments on the Mike Moss scandal up in the Sault Ste. Marie
I don't know who Mike Moss is, nor have I heard about any 'scandal' in the Soo. (BTW, Glen How's name does not have an 'e' on the end)
I am aware that Frank and some of the other elders wanted to report the abuse. I also know that it is according to Society directives that elders phone Bethel to get legal directions when an accusation of abuse is reported to them. What were the reporting laws at the time? If the law stated that the elders were responsible to report the abuse and Bethel told them not to I would like to know the reason why they gave this advice. I don't see a conflict between God's law and that of Caesar.
I personally know of a case where an accusation was made (older teenaged boy accused of exposing himself to young girl and making her touch his penis). There were no witnesses to the incident (naturally), so it was a case of his word against hers. Bethel was called and the PO was told to tell the parents that there was nothing they could do, scripturally speaking. It was up to the parents to pursue it if they chose to. The boy's parents still don't know about the accusation. That was ten years ago.
ALL of Gower's privileges were re-instated and then he was allowed more privileges in the congregation - my understanding is he pioneered but did not move to MS or elder.
A publisher may pioneer only after one year has passed since a reproof has been given. That is the current rule. For a brother to be appointed as an elder or ministerial servant he would have to "be irreprehensible, . . . have a fine testimony from people on the outside, . . . [be] free from accusation" (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 10; Titus 1:7). Enough time would have had to elapse from the time of the sin for him to live down notoriety in the community. This does not apply to a child molester though.
w97 1/1 p. 29 Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked
For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service.
Several newspaper articles said that...
Meanwhile, with the remaining elders convinced of his "spiritual repentance," Boer's father, Gower Palmer, rose through the ranks and enjoyed a level of privilege within the congregation normally reserved for the most respected members, said Momm. Canadian Press, Sep. 22, 2002
By JAMES MCCARTEN
How could it be said that he 'rose through the ranks'? We don't have ranks. We have privileges of service, but that doesn't make one person better than another. Gower doesn't qualify for these privileges of service either.
I have been aware for some time that there were 'troubles' in the Shelburne congregation. I didn't know what it was all about until the trial started though. I've never met Frank Mott-Trille personally, but I do know many people who have used his legal services over the years. He always seemed to be quite competent.