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Ghosts and Spooky things
by Crazy151drinker 51 Replies latest jw experiences
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SixofNine
About 90% of everything in this thread that seems "spooky", could easily be manufactured in your minds, especially with the help of the power of suggestion.
I'm curious, what do you guys think about the power of suggestion in regards to this type phenomenom? I am the biggest skeptic, but when I started reading this thread, I got the old shivers that I used to get whenever someone would tell demon stories. If I had felt a hand on my shoulder as I read just then, I'd know exactly where that hand came from, right?
Don't take this wrong, just discuss, ok? When a person hears voices, sees people others don't see, etc, alot, they tend to begin to believe they are crazy, or those around them try to get them help even if they don't think they need it, right? But when someone only has this phenomenom occasionally, they are channelling the spirit world? Maybe not.
Maybe you're all just crazy? lol. But seriously, no one wants to admit they might have a bit of a mental tick. No one wants to admit that they are open to something as silly as the power of suggestion.
But the power of suggestion isn't silly at all. It is indeed powerful, it isn't linear, IOW, it isn't always as direct as me getting a chill as I read this. It can be complex, and be triggered by subtle things, but refer to things past (thereby making it hard for us to distinguish).
I've never heard it discussed in this context, but the placebo effect, IMO, fits right into this discussion. Here is the power of suggestion at work, scientifically proven, and sometimes doing amazing things physically, that medicine and drugs can't do.
Are placebo effects spirit entities at work? If you say no, why be surprised if your mind creates "happenings" "spooky events" etc?
Also, once one begins finding a supernatural explaination for "what happened just then", they may start believing the sequence of events wrong (screwing with and altering their own memory) in order to make the story fit into.... well..., the story they've come up with. Doesn't mean they set out to fabricate, just that they believed before it was time to believe.
We've all done that, and it was the spookiest thing ever. KH's really are haunted.
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gumby
SIRONA:
"I accept that hallucination is a possibility for some thngs, but when physical objects move, or you get information you couldn't have known, then I think that shows there is an entity there".
What is more convincing in your story is........your friend saw it too! Many stories come from ONE individual. When ANOTHER person sees the same thing.....then it is NOT drugs, hallucinations, or in the mind......it really makes me wonder.
If there ARE ghosts or spirits.........does this add to anyones belief in God, or life after death?
Does mine
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Kingpawn
SixofNine,
In my case, being on the lowest level of the building *was* kind of spooky. Another Housekeeper who worked part of her shift down there reported finding lights on or off when they shouldn't be. I was alone much of the time. Also, physical security of the building wasn't the best. So the atmosphere did tend to make you think of things like that, so the power of suggestion may've had some effect then.
However, I have to agree with Gumby that when more than one person perceives the same phenomena it's harder to explain. I wasn't the first to see the plant spinning on the occasion I mentioned, but I did look. And I'd heard stories, as I mentioned, from my wife about previous goings-on during her shift on that floor.
Something I've read as one explanation for UFO sightings: a "fugue" state, somewhere between consciousness and semi-consciousness. Maybe one you could be in and not know it? That becomes dangerous because what else may happen then? Would that state apply here?
No effect on my feelings re: God or life after death. BTW, isn't "life after death" a contradiction of sorts?
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Sirona
Gumby,
Yes, its more significant if more than one person experiences it. Then you've got the situation where everyone who moves into a particular house experiences the same phenomena (although it hasn't been discused with previous residents). One case I heard of was a house built over an old roman road. The new tenants reported that whilst watching TV one night the image of a roman soldier walked through their room, but they could only see him from the thighs up. They *later* found out about the roman road under their house.
Six:
You have a point that sometimes I think it can be put down to hallucinations or simply misunderstanding of whats happening. E.g. lights flickering might just be your electrics! however, as in the case above where a couple are calmly sitting in their lounge...why would both of them suddenly have an hallucination?
I study psychology and I am aware of sleep states that can induce hallucinations, etc. however, just because we can prove that such brain states exist, that does not prove that the supernatural doesnt exist. Plus, there are differences between hallucinations and delusions experienced by Schizophrenics in comparison to "normal" people. Yes, you could say that "normal" people only experience it occasionally, but it isn't that, there is more to it.
In my experience, I have once been told a message by a ghost and weeks later this message's meaning came to light. By "coincidence" the person that the message was for had to come and stay with us for the funeral and I only found out the message was for them AFTER I told them of my strange spooky experience. There was physical evidence too....I'd been told that a gift had not been given and it was the desire of the lady who had passed that the gift be given to the person. She showed me that it was high up in her house, and sure enough it was found in the attic - gift wrapped.
Sirona
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Sentinel
SixofNine,
There just might be something very true about what you said, in that lots of these "spooky" things could be conjured up by our own "thought" powers. The power of suggestion.
I have been doing some research about the human mind, and there are so many powers inside ourselves that we just don't know how to directly tap into. (A few do, but only a very few, and we are even skeptical of them.) Activity like this is beyond the realm of normalicy and acceptability. But perhaps we are just misunderstanding everything....
Supposedly, we originally had powers that just died away through the centuries. (You know, use it or lose it.) Mostly because we stopped using them our of fear. (Again we have the religious dogma telling us things.) We were told they were from demons. Maybe in some heywire mind thing, we do conjure up the things we see, feel, and experience by ourselves. But we are left without an explanation.
However, that does not make them any the less real. They may be more real than we know. We just don't know how to put everything together. Maybe someday soon, we will again know these secrets. Levitation, mind reading, healing, projection, second-sight, prophesying....
Is our Soul separate and apart from our body? Does it live on and stay around for awhile after it leaves the physical shell, because of unresolved issues? Can a Soul become so far from the good during it's journey, that it turns away from the good, away from the light, to live for the bad, the evil? I don't know. But, we do know of cases where "voices" or apparitions have actually saved peoples lives. Where do these warnings come from? Are they actually a part of the person receiving them? Are they deep within the subconscious mind? Do we conjure up our own spooks?
Perhaps right now, it only becomes scary or spooky when we allow our own internal fears to multiply and take control during events that we are unprepared for and we can't explain. Our minds are unfamiliar and unable to process anything abnormal. What do you think? I've heard it said before that young children around the age of puberty are especially vulnerable to these situations. Could it be that this is the age when in times past, those special abilities were originally presented to us as gifts?
Love and Light,
Karen/Sentinel
Edited by - Sentinel on 26 July 2002 17:24:26
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Crazy151drinker
TR!
If the deadbolt relocking had been the only thing that happened I would have just forgotten about it. But this happened after all the other stuff. The Burnt Electrical Fire smell was the worst. It lasted for quite sometime.
Zen,
I meet a guy in washington who had the same thing. The "thing" would follow him and his brother around. The house he lived in was F'd big time. A couple of my friends had stayed there and all had witnessed some pretty wacked out stuff.
And the Ouja board thing: Well most people play with them and no big deal but sometimes they are pretty crazy. My roomate when I was in the army used to play with them when they were kids. They would make them out of paper and they would still work. He told me some pretty crazy stuff that scared the shit out of me. My advice on the whole thing is that the Boards lie. They are not some grandpa or realitve talking to you. .
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joannadandy
startingover-- The high school was Milaca, the houses I am talking about are the spooky old ones around St Cloud State Campus, and the Resturant is DB Sereles.
SixofNine-I totally believe in the power of suggestion. Have you ever watched MTV Fear? The whole thing is a great study is the psychology of fear. It's a bunch of teenagers, they fill them with spooky stories, and then send them out to do stupid shit, like sprinkle chicken blood on the ground and ask a spirit to step forward. Usually you hear them screaming "holy shit, did you hear that" Meanwhile we the TV audience hear nothing. Often times the ones who get the most scared are the religious types. They think they are doing something satanic and wrong and they freak out and quit.
Now this being said, I still believe in spirit forces etc. I dunno, it's probably too deeply rooted, or too much fun for me to scare myself for me to let go. If you re-read my post, I was very skeptical of everything that had happened to me. I can find a logical explination for everything supernatural I have experienced. But it gives me chills, and I still like talking about it, and the what if factor intrigues me.
Plus like I said--it is so much fun to be scared and psyching yourself up (power of suggestion) is the best way to get the best scares and adrenlene pumping.
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Valis
native...I am invited to your slumber party?
gumby, if you believe in the bible, then you have to assume those things are being caused by demonic influence. Unless of course, you have a direct connect w/jehovahs canal, and he's just straightening out the living room for you, or sending you stock tips...
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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Thomas Poole
Demonic manifestations are not a game. See the following:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=13669&site=3
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=13400&site=3
Edited by - Thomas Poole on 28 July 2002 1:30:21