Watchtower Moves In For Kill On silentlambs

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  • silentlambs
    silentlambs

    7-18-02

    Draffenville Body of Elders

    Ron Carey-chairman

    Dear brothers,

    This letter is to acknowledge your letter of July15, and youenewed interest in establishing a new judicial hearing. As you may recall my attorney sent you a letter on with clear and concise requests for information. In not answering the June 6, 2002 letter you canceled a second arranged meeting on June 28, which I readily agreed to, but you failed to confirm in anyway. Due to circumstances beyond my control I am unable to meet on July 24 th . I will be happy to reschedule a date acceptable to all concerned.

    I noted with interest that Ron Cary from Central City has now been appointed to serve as chairman, has he moved to Draffenville? Does he represent the Draffenville Congregation for the Watchtower home office? This needs to be clarified as I am confused why Ron Cary would be involved as he lives over one and one half hours away from Draffenville. The reason for my concern in this regard is the stated instructions in the elder handbook Pay Attention to Yourself and all the Flock it makes this comment in that regard on page 109:

    If a judicial committee is needed, elders who are present at the Kingdom Hall should determinewhich elders will serve on the committee and which one will be chairman. The elders will take into consideration which elders are best qualified to handle the particular type of case that has arisen. (km 9/77 pp. 5-6)

    Why does Draffenville Congregation need an Assembly Overseer, Ron Cary, when they already have five elders on the local elder body? Did the local body of elders call Ron Cary and request him to make the long road trip from Central City? If so I would appreciate an explanation as to why this is needed or who requested Brother Cary.

    In the July 15, letter Ron mentioned that he wished to be treated with, due respectaccorded to the elder who is chairing the meeting. If find this noteworthy as a fellow elder I make the same request on my behalf. The question is, have I been treated with due respect since you brothers at the direction of home office have chosen to press these false allegations against me? To explain, let me share a few examples:

    1. Failing to appear or give notice for the first prearranged judicial hearing in writing when at great expense I was there in good faith to meet with the committee.
    2. Totally ignoring all questions asked since January of 2001 about serious actions committed against my good name in the congregation and local community.
    3. Attempting to arrange a judicial hearing with a twenty-four hour notice in an attempt to prevent my witnesses from appearing in my behalf.
    4. Attempting to arrange a judicial hearing on Wednesdays in an attempt to impede my witnesses from appearing on my behalf.
    5. Failing to appear for a second judicial hearing that my attorney notified you in writing that I was willing to appear for, but once again you failed to confirm or communicate in anyway.
    6. Harassing my family and myself, by trespassing on my property, making harassing phone calls, sending correspondence, afteepeated requests for all communication to go only to my attorney.

    In the handbook you use to decide these matters a comment is made in this regard on page 107:

    They must treat every person with impartiality at all times and desire that the spiritually ill become well again, since a failure in this regard is unjust and violates the law of love .I Tim. 5:21; Jas. 2:1-9; 5:14, 15; w77 3/1 pp. 146-52.

    By the actions committed to date by you and otheepresentatives of Watchtower, have you treated me with due respect and given any hope of a fair and impartial hearing? How in any sense am I being made to feel that you want to make me well again if by your actions you show denial of basic human rights? According to our own guidebook it is described as unjust and violates the law of love. I would like a specific answer to that question.

    Now it appears you want to establish a new hearing with a third chairman officiating. Since you have failed to appear on two previous meetings that were arranged in writing, what reason do I have to believe you will appear for this one? Your actions to date have proven otherwise. Therefore due to the inconvenience you have caused my witnesses and myself by your gross negligence in these matters I must request the following in accordance with due respect:

    1. What are the charges against me, please be specific as I am unclear what this new hearing is about.
    2. For any hearing that you wish to arrange I will require at least a two week notice from the date I receive the letter so as to arrange my schedule to be able to meet.
    3. I request than you not set the meeting for any weekday as this imposes a hardship for my witnesses to be able to appear in my behalf. Therefore I request a Saturday or Sunday meeting only. As you are aware the Flock book on page 110 states: Suitable arrangements should be made as to the time and place of the hearing. Would that not mean arrangements that are kind to the accused and his witnesses?
    4. I request that the meeting be arranged on a time table after .
    5. I request that you use no recording devices in the course of the hearing.
    6. I request that no attorneys may be present in your behalf or Watchtower.
    7. I request a basic committee of three with no observers present. According to the Flock book on page 109 it makes this statement: In a complex case, a judicial committee need not be limited to three members; it may warrant having four or even five experienced elders serve. As this is a simple case of false allegations it would not appear to be to complex for three elders to handle. If you plan to have more than three elders present, I wish to be informed in advance and the basis for that decision. If you fail to do this and upon my arrival, there are more than three on the committee, I will certainly consider that a lack of due respect for not informing me ahead of time what to expect.
    8. My witnesses have asked that I act as an agent on their behalf, therefore I request a check in the amount of $2,945.25 to be sent to silentlambs to assist with travel expenses for my witnesses to return for the new hearing to bear testimony in my behalf.
    9. I request that ALL COMMUNICATION go through my attorney. It is no doubt at the advice of Watchtower Legal you have chosen to ignore my repeated demands in this regard, but irregardless you must STOP HARASSING me. If you do not I will be forced to look to Cesar foedress in this regard.

    In the handbook we use to decide these matters a comment is made in this regard on page 107:

    "They must treat every person with impartiality at all times and desire that the spiritually ill become well again, since a failure in this regard is unjust and violates the law of love. 1 Tim 5:21; Jas. 2:1-9; 5: 14, 15; w77 3/1 pp. 146-52".

    I am saddened to have to make the above requests but your actions have had the affect of beating your brothers by harassing my family, arranging judicial meetings which are stressful to face, and not making appearance, inconveniencing survivors of abuse who traveled great distances to meet with you and provide testimony.

    In his letter to Richard Greenberg of Dateline, Brown made this statement:

    "We therefore do not view them as adversaries, but as individuals whose views and opinions should be heard within the framework of the congregation, or church, and not in front of a nationwide television audience. Our Governing Body is willing to resolve differences of opinion within the framework of the congregation and according to scriptural principles."

    So is this the way our Governing Body resolves differences of opinion? They send out-of- town elders to establish a judicial committee with false allegations and disfellowship all who appeared on the program? Does this not confirm exactly the allegation I have made since day one, that is, when victims of abuse speak up they are silenced with the threat of disfellowshipping? Is it not the cowardly course to disfellowship brothers and sisters in back rooms rather than face legitimate allegations in a public fm? It seems our Governing Body is perfectly willing to authorize Brown of Watchtower Public Information to slander those who appeared on Dateline by stating they were being disfellowshipped for other sins not related to speaking out on child abuse to nationwide newspapers. Could it be that our Governing Body lied to Brown and Richard Greenberg? Could they be lying to you?

    I know the questions above are troubling as they have troubled me greatly over the course of the last year. It is for that reason I have requested to have a meeting with the Governing Body within the framework of the congregation and according to scriptural principles on September 27 th of this year. Since they and the Service Committee are well aware of my request to meet with them in a FED-Xed letter dated , why are they authorizing you to have a judicial hearing? You might want to ask them that question. Would it not make better sense to resolve our differences at that time? On the other hand if you are aware of my meeting with the Governing Body, then I would welcome an explanation for the inconsistency of your actions.

    I realize you brothers are caught in the middle so to speak, but I would encourage you to think seriously about pressing this matter at this time. I am willing to meet and am traveling to as an evidence of my sincerity in wanting these matters settled. I will be glad to meet with you, I simply request due respect as you have failed miserably in that regard up to this point. Think about these things brothers as many children will either benefit or suffer from the actions you choose to take. As the Flock book states:

    Elders called upon to care for this responsibility must exercise heavenly wisdom, have good judgment, and be impartial. (Deut. 1:13, 16-18) A sound knowledge of Jehovah's righteous laws and principles is necessary.(Ps. 19:7-11) They must weigh matters carefully, realizing that certain factors make situations differ from one another.

    Instead of looking foigid rules for guidance, elders should think in terms of principles; judge each case on its own merits. Before handling a judicial case, elders should carefully review Units 5(a), 5(b), and 5(c). They may also need to do research in the Society's publications and recent correspondence from the Society to find information that may apply or be helpful. Elders can be confident that with accurate knowledge, with experience and discernment, and with the help of God's spirit, they can judge in righteousness, wisdom, and mercy.

    I encourage you brothers to consider these matters carefully and make a decision that will benefit the flock. As fellow elders is that not what we are required to do? I await your quick response to this letter and send my warm Christian love.

    Very Truly Yours,

    silentlambs

    Edited by - silentlambs on 19 July 2002 17:49:44

    Edited by - silentlambs on 19 July 2002 17:51:50

  • Dutchie
    Dutchie

    1. My witnesses have asked that I act as an agent on their behalf, therefore I request a check in the amount of $2, 945.25 to be sent to silentlambs to assist with travel expenses for my witnesses to return for the new hearing to bear testimony in my behalf
      . Bill, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that check to arrive!

    Edited by - Dutchie on 19 July 2002 17:55:49

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    I stand corrected by our own sweet Dungbeetle,this thread is 6 pages long,looks like going on seven...OUTLAW

    Edited by - OUTLAW on 19 July 2002 18:3:4

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Here is an interesting link to the 'expulsion' modus of the 'Exclusive Bretheren', another high-control religious group with the personality of a chainsaw.

    What is interesting is the attemps at challenging 'expulsion' legally.

    http://www.cloudnet.com/~dwyman/green1.html

    Best regards - HS

  • critter
    critter

    Regarding human rights and the outcome of the hearing:

    UN Charter of Human rights indeed could be applicable here. Some articles were referenced above, I would find the three following interesting.

    Article 10.

    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent 
    and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any 
    criminal charge against him.
    Article 11.
    (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until 
    proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees 
    necessary for his defence.
    (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission 
    which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the 
    time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that 
    was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
    Article 12.
    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or 
    correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to 
    the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    I personally faced committee some weeks ago and did mention the above articles to committee member because I wanted to have my lawyer present in the appeal committee meeting. I wasn't very successfull, they denied my request and I had to face the committee alone (this happened in Europe). Anyway, this could open on possibility for future actions for you Bill.

    I myself was surprised by the result on my committee, they played a trick on me. In the beginning of the committee I asked the members what are the options I may be facing. They didn't tell me, so I had to ask them again, that are the possibilities 1) private reproof, 2) public reproof or 3) disfellowshipmen? With a great pain they answered that yes, generally those are the possibilities.

    Now, when the time came for them to make the decision, they told me that their ruling was that "I had disassociated myself by un-scriptural behaviour". I went like whaat... is that?! Their answer was that this is just a wording they may sometimes choose to use. No explanation was offered why they chose to make that decision instead of disfellowshipment. Clearly, it was a word-play of shrugging any possible responsibility off the shoulders of the committee elders.

    That was what happened in the first hearing. The result of the appeal hearing was exactly the same. But a second surprise did follow. Usually it is possible to veto to the Bethel if one is not satisfied with the appeal hearing result. Now, however, I was told that it is not possible to veto to bethel if their decision is the wording they decided to use.

    In my case I had information that the elders had been in contact with the bethel even before my first committee meeting. Obviously they were instructed to use this wording to avoid legal troubles. For me this is a new proceeding, Elder's book (91 edition) doesn't mention this.

    When they announced their decision in the meeting, the wording was simple "And a short announcement, X XXX is no longer a Jehovah's witness.". Previously I was told that they would announce like "XXX has disassociated himself by unscriptural behaviour (1. Cor. 5)". However I had informed the elder that I would consider an announcement like that libellous, so the elders probably decided to avoid any problems with that short wording.

    -critter

  • Lee Elder
    Lee Elder

    I think that Bill is pointed in the right direction by focusing on the errors
    made by the elders involved in his case. Especially if he can demostrate
    to a court that the WTS broke its own published rules/guidelines in their
    handling of matters - he may have a case.

    Lee

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Hey Bill, good reply.The only way to keep WBTS honest(I really doubt its possible)is to have them work through your lawyers and to have your witness`s, lawyers and press at the meeting.You know theres a lot of people out here that care about you and support your work.WBTS is not interested in doing the right thing,if they were, there wouldn`t be a pediphile problem...OUTLAW

  • teejay
    teejay

    And what is done in secret will be brought to light...


    *** it-1 473-5 City ***

    On entering the gates, one found himself in a large open place, the citys marketplace, the public square, where all kinds of selling and buying were carried on, and where contracts were made and sealed before witnesses. (Ge 23:10-18; 2Ki 7:1; Na 2:4) Here was the public forum where news was received and passed on (Ne 8:1, 3; Jer 17:19), where the elders held court (Ru 4:1-10), and where the traveler might spend the night if perchance private hospitality was not extended to him. (Jg 19:15-21)


    ** it-1 516-9 Court, Judicial ***
    COURT,
    JUDICIAL

    The local court was situated at the gate of a city. (De 16:18; 21:19; 22:15, 24; 25:7; Ru 4:1) By gate is meant the open space inside the city near the gate. The gates were places where the Law was read to the congregated people and where ordinances were proclaimed. (Ne 8:1-3) At the gate it was easy to acquire witnesses to a civil matter as most persons would go in and out of the gate during the day. Also, the publicity that would be afforded any trial at the gate would tend to influence the judges toward care and justice in the trial proceedings and in their decisions.


    *** it-2 233-5 Legal Case ***

    Procedure.

    A person with a civil matter or a complainant in a criminal matter would bring his case to the judges. The other party would be called, witnesses were gathered together, and the hearing was conducted usually in a public place, most often at the city gates. (De 21:19; Ru 4:1)

    Jesus Trial. The greatest travesty of justice ever committed was the trial and sentencing of Jesus Christ. Prior to his trial the chief priests and older men of the people took counsel together with a view to putting Jesus to death. So the judges were prejudiced and had their minds made up on the verdict before ever the trial took place.

    Because of the wrongness of their actions, they did not arrest him in the temple in the daytime, but they waited until they could act under cover of darkness and then sent a crowd armed with clubs and swords to arrest him in an isolated place outside the city.

    After this illegal night trial the Sanhedrin met early in the morning to confirm their judgment and for a consultation. (Mr 15:1) Jesus was now led, again bound, to the governors palace, to Pilate, since they said: It is not lawful for us to kill anyone. (Joh 18:31) Here Jesus was charged with forbidding the paying of taxes to Caesar and with saying that he himself was Christ a king.


    The pattern was set long ago and has been repeated countless times. Men who claimed to speak for god showed by their acts that they were far from their claims. Not much has changed. We stand with you, Bill. With you, there is a mighty army.

  • Grout
    Grout

    Bill,

    You are the man.

    Kick it.

  • betweenworlds
    betweenworlds

    Hey TJ, good quote! What publication are they from? Thanks :)

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