Where is Jesus *RIGHT NOW*?

by kairos 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  kairos

  If he went from "not ruling" to "ruling invisibly" over the Earth, does he still reside in the same location?

  Maybe he's in Warwick, waitng for his castle to be built around him.

  Invisible rule...

  How did I believe that?!?
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  kairos

  Better yet, maybe he's visiting the Pleiades...

  At the right hand and all.
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  poppers

  The Gladiator nailed it with his post.
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  givemejustalittlemoretime

  Jesus is ruling as king and has been since the 1st century.He came back for his elect in the1st centruy 2000 years ago. He dwells withinall who believe on him.You are the temple of God.THemystery oftheages revealedto thegentiles in the 1st century "christ in us" the hope of glory (colossians 1:27). God doe snot dwell in churches or man made temples.Checkout my youtube channel seekchristwithin
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  Witness 007

  He has his own magic show in Vagas with Chris Angel...they call themselves Christ and his angel...great show.
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  sunny23

  He is a spirit and thus has no physical location.

  Wait so how can he and other angels be described using physical terms including white, light, robes, crowns, etc? How can man be made in Gods physical image if he is not a physical thing and is instead just a spirit without atoms? How are "images" produced in physics? Anything that can effect physical objects must itself exert physical forces and have within itself physcial traits right?

  GMJLMT is Jesus selectively omnipresent now? Maybe You mean "the idea of jesus and thoughts of jesus dwells in people who believe in jesus," not that jesus is a physical thing that choses to dwell in some 4th dimension ONLY within human bodies that chose to believe in him right? If it's the later, then what purpose does it serve? If actual rewards come from the dwelling of Jesus in a person then that would be like a random stranger rewarding you with a gift when you just happened to make a choice to turn right down a street rather than left. It would be unfair to all those who chose left due to circumstances they cant control. Getting rewarded because you happen to chose to believe in something is unfair and would be the worst and highest level of "playing favorites" by divine beings.
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  OnTheWayOut

  He's standing next to Sherlock Holmes, Darth Vader, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and all those gods (Zeus, Thor, Jupiter, Isis, Mythros, etc.)
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  punkofnice

  For Dragon substitute Jesus.....

  “A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage.”

  Suppose … I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you’d want to check it out, see for yourself….

  “Show me,” you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle—but no dragon.

  “Where’s the dragon?” you ask.

  “Oh, she’s right here,” I reply, waving vaguely. “I neglected to mention that she’s an invisible dragon.”

  You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon’s footprints.

  “Good idea,” I say, “but this dragon floats in the air.”

  Then you’ll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

  “Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless.”

  You’ll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

  “Good idea, except she’s an incorporeal dragon and the paint won’t stick.”

  And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won’t work.

  Now, what’s the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there’s no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it is true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I’m asking you do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.

  The only thing you’ve really learned from my insistence that there’s a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You’d wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I’ve seriously underestimated human fallibility….

  Now another scenario: Suppose it’s not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you’re pretty sure don’t know each other, all tell you they have dragons in their garages—but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we’re disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I’d rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren’t myths after all…

  Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they’re never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself: On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon’s fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such “evidence”—no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it—is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.

  —Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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  sowhatnow

  i read this last night and was amazed that i did not see it before this is just some of it the link for the whole article is over at jwfacts on the subject of faithful and descreet slave

  [apparently he hasnt come yet, according to the wt, becasue they are still doing memorial, which was to cease when he came.]

  but this was the most interesting parts to me.

  One must wonder, if God truly appointed the Governing Body to dispense truth since 1919, why it took them 93 years to dispense the truth about this doctrine.
  What is remarkable about this teaching is that in 1981 the Watchtower described this very concept, that only the leaders represent the Slave class, as deceptive and from objectors; in other words, it was an apostate teaching.
  "Witnesses of Jehovah understand that the "slave" is comprised of all anointed Christians as a group on earth at any given time during the 19 centuries since Pentecost. Accordingly, the "domestics" are these followers of Christ as individuals.
  
  Some readers may feel that this is a rather sectarian view of matters. Or they may object to the idea that the "slave" and the "domestics" represent the same class, one as a composite body and the other as individuals. The objectors may argue that not all of Christ's anointed disciples have a share in preparing the spiritual food, so that perhaps the "slave" pictures only the leading ones, and the "domestics" those they serve in the congregation.
  
  There is no point in trying to force an interpretation of the parable. Self-deception is of no benefit and is spiritually damaging. Therefore, we must look to the Scriptures for an understanding. In doing this, what do we find?
  [ ... ]
  Thus we see a clear Scriptural basis for saying that all anointed followers of Christ Jesus make up God's "servant," with Jesus as its Master." Watchtower 1981 Mar 1 pp.24-26
  
  Consequences
  The Watchtower claims the Slave has been given all authority.
  "The facts of modern history show that in the year 1919 [Jesus] revived these much afflicted disciples and gathered them together in a united body. Then he appointed them as his “slave” class “over all his belongings,” that is, over all his royal interests at the earth." Watchtower 1971 Dec 15 p.750
  This is not what was intended by the Scriptures. The Bible states that the appointment over all the belongings is made after the master arrives.
  Matthew 24:46,47 "Happy is that slave if his master on arriving (erchomai) finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings."
  The master has not yet arrived, as the memorial is to cease on his arrival, and so the Slave has not been appointed over all the belongings.
  1 Corinthians 11:26 "For as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives (erchomai)."
  
  The leaders have prematurely seized control for themselves, and consolidated that control. The 2012 version of the doctrine leaves Christians uncared for between 33 CE and 1919 CE, and elevates the exclusivity and importance of Governing Body. This is in contrast to the parable, which indicates that at this time the elders are to be shepherds of the congregation.
  One would expect that the definition for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to be a person that worships Jehovah. However, the defining concept to being a Jehovah's Witness is not worship of Jehovah, but rather following the "faithful and discreet slave." In a judicial committee, the foremost question is not whether a Witness believes the Bible or worships Jehovah, but whether they believe God is using the Watchtower Faithful and Discreet Slave in our day. If a person believes in the Bible and Jehovah, they will still be disfellowshipped as an apostate if they openly confess that the Watchtower leaders do not represent Jehovah's slave.
  The Governing Body has managed to deflect attention from Jesus by means of their doctrine that Jesus is mediator for the Slave class alone, and that salvation can only be achieved through association with the Slave.
  "He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members. " Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11
  "Jesus knew that he was going to purchase these anointed ones with his own blood, so he fittingly referred to them collectively as his slave." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16
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  kairos

  Thanks for the relpies.

  Enjoyable.