"You are over generalizing. This is true of some religion. It is not true of all religion." -
Religion will tell you that you need them (it) to succeed. Will you be so kind and give me a couple of examples. Or one, one example.
Ismael
A key reason why some atheists challenge religious beliefs
by defender of truth 193 Replies latest members adult
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LisaRose
I found a church that had no doctrine, so obviously they didn't expect anyone to reject science. They weren't even bothered by the fact I didn't believe in God. Obviously they are on the extreme liberal end of the spectrum, but I think there are many religions that don't expect you to reject science.
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MadGiant
"I found a church that had no doctrine, so obviously they didn't expect anyone to reject science. They weren't even bothered by the fact I didn't believe in God. Obviously they are on the extreme liberal end of the spectrum, but I think there are many religions that don't expect you to reject science." -
Could you be a little more specific. A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems. Many religions may have organized behaviors, clergy, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, holy places, and scriptures. The practice of a religion may also include rituals, sermons, commemoration or veneration of a deity, gods or goddesses, sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trance, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, prayer, music, art, dance, public service or other aspects of human culture. Religions may also contain mythology. If the don't have any doctrine, how is organized, and why? And as I said, science is not at war with religion.
Ismael
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Dismissing servant
Yes, there are liberal churches...mostley in Europe, specially in Scandinavia.
The former arch bishop of Sweden , K G Hammar stated that he did not believe in the virgin birth and the resurrection av Jesus. He also stated that he regarded God as a symbol of love.
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FlyingHighNow
I will come back later and give you a list. I'm off to visit my friend at the hospital again.
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defender of truth
Ismael asked:"Could you be a little more specific...If they don't have any doctrine, how is organized, and why?"
Seeing as you asked and to possibly save somebody some time, I looked into it, and Unitarian Universalists are at least one group that claim to not have any specific doctrines.
They are fully supportive of LGBT people and seem to have general humanist principles.
"Individual Unitarian Universalists may identify with and draw inspiration from many different religious or philosophical traditions, which can include Atheism/Agnosticism, Buddhism, Christianity, and Paganism."...
"Joining Unitarian Universalism requires only that you get involved in a congregation near you. All visitors are welcome in our congregations and you need not renounce your current beliefs to take part. Each congregation has its own guidelines for membership, and in most cases, you need not be a member to participate in most aspects of congregational life."
http://www.uua.org/beliefs/faq/index.shtml
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“The Principles are not dogma or doctrine, but rather a guide for those of us who choose to join and participate in Unitarian Universalist religious communities.”...
"1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part."
http://www.uua.org/beliefs/principles/index.shtml
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Interesting discussion, I hope it continues. -
MadGiant
i will read a lilt le and come back later.
Ismael
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MadGiant
I'll be damned, I was wrong. But I found something curious about the Unitarian Universalism.
Yes, they are a creed less faith just as the Puritans. But as the Puritan, they uphold certain "things". They call those "things" the seven principles. And while their individual theologies may differ from one another, those theologies are to defend the seven principles. If your beliefs counter those principles, they have to explore how to take those beliefs into alignment with the seven principles.
Ismael
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FlyingHighNow
Ismael, how much more misleading and deliberately clueless could your post about "the 7 things" be?
I'll post them again:
Our Principles
Unitarian Universalists hold the Principles as strong values and moral teachings. As Rev. Barbara Wells ten Hove explains, “The Principles are not dogma or doctrine, but rather a guide for those of us who choose to join and participate in Unitarian Universalist religious communities.”
- 1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
- 2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
- 3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
- 4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
- 5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
- 6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
- 7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
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FlyingHighNow
Sorry ma'am, but that's call "personal incredulity".
Sorry, sir, but it's a fact, evolution is not an exact, absolute science. There are many questions about it that have not been answered. It is not static. But you did pick through my comment there and try very hard to find something you could disagree with.
From The Tech online:
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on the webA quote from the article:
Absolute Truth, Dogmatism Antithetical to Science
Column by Loren King
Guest ColumnistCarlin claims that Absolute Truth "is essential" to science. It is not. In fact, the best science recognizes the basic uncertainty of human knowledge, and by this recognition frees itself from the dogmatic belief that once a problem appears to be solved, it is solved for good.
The scientific method insists upon questioning not only the objects and events that we find in the world, but also our basic beliefs and assumptions about the way the world is, and the way we come to know things about it. Science works because no fact or belief is ever taken as being final; all knowledge is provisional, and postulates, methods, and conclusions are at all times open to the critical scrutiny not only of the researchers conducting the work, but also of the scientific community at large.