Scriptures that now seem to apply to JWs

by Magnum 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Magnum
    Magnum

    In the last year or so, many Bible passages that I used to strongly and confidently apply to non-JWs, began to seem to apply to JWs. This change in my thinking was shocking and disturbing. I can best describe the feeling by comparing it to the feeling I got in 1981 when I watched the movie Dead and Buried starring James Farentino.

    In that movie there are murders committed in a small town by dead people reanimated by a doctor doing experiments. The living dead appear as normal people. James Farentino plays the sheriff in the small town. He’s a good guy who’s sincerely trying to figure out what’s going on. To make a long story short, in the end he finds out that he, too, is one of the living dead. He's shocked. I remember the feeling I had at the moment the movie began to drop hints that the sheriff was one of the living dead. It was a sobering, shocking feeling of dread.

    So that’s how I felt when it first began to dawn on me that the passages I had to applied non-JWs for many years seemed to begin to apply to JWs. I felt like that sheriff must have felt. All along he thought he was a normal good-guy sheriff trying to figure out what was wrong with everybody else. Then he began to see, shockingly, that he was one of the "them". I began to think, shockingly, that maybe these Bible passages that I had applied to others applied to the group I was in.

    I have a list somewhere of a lot of such passages, but I can’t find it right now. Listed below are the ones that come to mind right now.

    passages that now seem to apply to JWs:

    Joh 8:32 - and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free [When I was really starting to have doubts about the JW religion, I started praying fervently to God to help me see the truth, whatever it might be. I don’t know whether it was answered prayer because I don’t even know whether God exists, but during this time I began to really see more clearly the wrongs in JWdom and I began to feel that the setting free was from JWdom.]

    Re 18:4 - And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. [I began to feel that maybe this applies to leaving JWdom]

    Mt 7:21-23 - 21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness. [How appropriately this could apply to JWs. They constantly point to and brag about their “powerful works”. I used to fervently apply this passage to so-called Christendom and its members, but I began to think, OMG, this applies to JWs. I can imagine their shock at finding out they’re not approved and their saying “but didn’t we go out in service many hours per month and go to all the meetings and support the FDS and read all the mags and promote our website…]

    1Co 10:12 - Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall. [JWs smugly, self-righteously, and over-confidently think they are standing. I think they are due for a fall.]

    Mt 15:14 - LET them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit. [JW leadership leading their drones]

    Jer 5:21 - Hear, now, this, O unwise people that is without heart: They have eyes, but they cannot see; they have ears, but they cannot hear. [JWs are deaf and blind to logic, fact, and reason. My wife recently tried to reason with my JW mother and said to me “You’re right. It’s impossible to reason with them.”]

    Ps 146:3 - Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs [JWs put complete trust in their nobles – the GB, COs, etc.]

    Please add any passages you can think of to the list.

    Has anybody else experienced this? Have you found that some parts of the Bible that you used to apply to non-JWs now seem to apply to JWs? I already know that a lot of you don't believe the Bible is inspired and I'm still trying to determine whether it is, so for the sake of this discussion, just please assume it is inspired.

  • Zoos
    Zoos

    Oh, to be sure they apply to JWs. They apply to all religions.

    1 Corinthians 10:12 STILL applies to anyone who has left "JWdom". It's a process.

  • kneehighmiah
    kneehighmiah

    MAtgnew 23:15- Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves

  • millie210
    millie210

    Proverbs 6:

    6:16 There are six things that God hates ,

    even seven things that are an abomination to him:

    6:17 haughty eyes , a lying tongue ,

    and hands that shed innocent blood ,

    6:18 a heart that devises wicked plans ,

    feet that are swift to run to evil ,

    6:19 a false witness who pours out lies ,

    and a person who spreads discord among family members .

    The uneven application of the blood doctrine and the disfellowshipping policy alone make the JWs qualify.

    The lack of love among the elders extending downward. The amount of judging that goes on among the flock towards one another. The feeling that JWs are "better" than worldy people.

    I could go on but we all get the idea...

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    LUKE 21

    7 "Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?" 8 He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them.

    NO ONE claims "the time (END) is near" as do JWs.

    How did we miss it?

    Doc

  • Magnum
    Magnum

    OK, some more good ones: Mt 23:15, Pr 6:16-19, & Lu 21:7.

    I've been thinking about Lu 21:7 a lot lately. "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them."

    NO ONE claims "the time (END) is near" as do JWs.

    How did we miss it?

    Gosh, how did we miss it? It was slapping us in the face!

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Any scriptures about the Pharisees' treatment of the common Jew. My big epiphany about TTATT came when I realized that the org. was Pharisaical.

    Yes, I noticed this too as I was mentally exiting, that many negative statements about deceivers, false prophets, etc. seem to be fitting the Society to a tee. It was rather surprising to notice this, as I don't "believe in" the Bible anymore.

    But I think the reason these scriptures seem to be talking about JWs is (1) we have chronocentric and self-centered tendencies and it's nice to be able to believe that, even if the Society does not have the truth, that it plays a special role that excuses our having been fooled by it; that it's somehow more notable than other false religions and general nonsense; and (2) the scriptures are basically describing common trends in religion, where history repeats itself. If we lived in 1500 AD or 750 AD, we still would think we knew who these passages were referring to.

    Ultimately if we imagine these words being penned by ancient Jews, and we ask ourselves who they might have been thinking of at that time, the answer is usually quite clear. So taking those scriptures, which often do not purport to be prophecy at all, and applying them to a religious publishing house (among many) founded in the 1800s AD is rather comical when you stop and think about it.

    Just a side note:

    For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them."

    Did not some of the epistles declare that the end was near? And did not those writers claim to be speaking in the name of Jesus?

  • designs
    designs

    Jesus should talk....

  • designs
    designs

    "the flood"

  • cultBgone
    cultBgone

    It's the technique of Projection. Abusive, controlling manipulators use it to accuse others of the horrible acts they are actually committing themselves. It's a huge mind game. The gb accuses others of committing their sins while hiding the same from members. That way "the others" are always in the wrong. You have to be out from under that control to recognize what's happening and I think something negative has to affect you personally for that to happen. Once the blinders come off, we all start to feel stupid that we didn't see what was right in front of us all the time. But you can't see it when you're being mind-controlled by ridiculous amounts of "read-watch-listen as we command" because your brain is overwhelmed/burdened by all the doctrinal baggage and rules. Hitler also used this method to great success for a time...

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