TEC, if God and Jesus won't whisper the answers in your ear, then take this as an invitation to share YOUR beliefs, then.
Adam asked: Do you buy into the "it's not literal days" camp? If not, then how old is mankind, per YOU?
TEC said- Not literal 24 hour days, and I don't know.
So, you're back-peddling from a literal 24-hour day interpretation? Do you suggest an alternative, or let me guess: you want to use some ill-defined and indeterminate period (perhaps 'age') which allows some 'wiggle room'?
And on the age of mankind (i.e. how long ago was Adam created), "you don't know"? Surely you must know someone who DOES know, who was around for the big event?
And if Jesus ain't talkin', surely you MUST be familiar with the efforts of believers over the past 2,500 years (pastors, bishops, priests, popes, etc) who relied on the Bible as the inspired Word of God, a record of human history from the beginning that's been handed down from on high from the "One who made all things"? Those efforts of men (like Bishop Ushher, etc) who've attempted to create a chronological time-line of human history by relying on the details of geneologies and ages of men recorded in the Bible in order to exactly determine (if not roughly approximate) an age of the Earth and mankind, starting from Adam, and extending to the time of Jesus (circa first century CE)?
Or have you thrown out all their efforts, too, just dismissing it all as stuff not to be taken literally?
Adam said- And I can repeat the original question a 3rd time, OR better yet, just find it above and provide your answer to that one, too (it's the question in bold about if God took a day off to respect His own institution of the Sabbath BEFORE or AFTER the fall of Adam). That's the one I'm really looking for an answer to.
TEC said- that was one of your questions, but not the original question.
Yeah, no kidding. I thought I made it perfectly clear that AFTER the point was clarified and agreement was reached, it was time to move on? Maybe you missed that, YET AGAIN? Again, a non-response to the question of WHEN God's Sabbath day occurred:
1) Before the Fall of Adam
2) After the Fall of Adam
TEC said- Says he rested when all of his creating work was done.
Yup, that's correct! That's the generally-accepted definition of the Sabbath, a day of rest taken AFTER a week of working and creating "stuff". Thanks, as that point of the definition of "sabbath" is firmly (re)established...
Adam said- Doesn't it seem odd to you that God would go to the bother of instituting a tradition of creating a Sabbath Day, only to ditch the concept later in the week after God changed his mind? Again, is that what you actually believe? Has God ditched the Sabbath not even 6,000 yrs (i.e. 6 "God Days") later?
TEC said- I cannot follow your line of thought. Later in the week He changed his mind? You're still assuming that we are in the first week?
LOL! I'm asking how YOU, TEC, interpret Genesis ONE (the first freakin' chapter in the first freakin' book of the Holy Bible) which contains six "days" of creation, followed by a Sabbath "day"!
If God's calendar (where the concept of a seven-day week was explicitly introduced in Genesis One) is anything like human calendars, then the cycle repeats (and since Exodus contains the commandment ORDERING the observance of the Sabbath on a weekly cycle, which was introduced back in Genesis 2:3, it's reasonable to assume that God follows a similar calendar, which is EXACTLY an assumption that prior generations of believers have made in order to calculate God's time-line for Bible prophecies).
TEC said- My Lord has reminded me, On God's Sabbath, we rest from OUR work (our will/desires)... and do HIS work (his will).
And I'm sure your Lord has not forgotten that humans are not permitted to work against God's will on ANY DAY of the week, MUCH less on the Sabbath (!), since engaging in works that are COUNTER to God's will (such as violating the Sabbath!) is the very definition of a 'sin' and sinning is verboten on the Sabbath, too. But your Lord already knew that, I'm sure.....
Your Lord seemingly missed the point that Genesis 2:3 clearly states that God rested from HIS work of creating on the Sabbath (i.e. the work of creating, which WAS His will, since God willed creations into existence by Divine utterance in Chapter One). This is the first time in the Torah that the word 'Sabbath' appears, and it's intended by the Priestly source to reinforce WHY the Sabbath must be observed: God set the example for Sabbath by taking a day of rest off from HIS creations, and humans should also take a weekly day of rest off from THEIR works, to set it aside as a consecrated day making it 'Holy' (i.e. for worship).
But the point remains: God is setting an EXAMPLE by observing a day of rest, and my question revolves around what God considers as His "week".
Let me guess: you probably would dismiss Genesis 2:3 as the work of "lying scribes"?
TEC said- Christ did His Father's will and not His own will, EVERY day. So what has been ditched except perhaps a tradition that was a shadow of the TRUTH to come?
The Sabbath concept was introduced in Genesis 2:3, and God commanded it be observed by the Israelites in Exodus under penalty of death (eg it's so important, it's included in the 10 commandments). And are you forgetting that Jesus was supposedly a 'tekton' (Greek word translated as 'craftsman'), BEFORE he commensed his preaching work (which he supposedly started at the age of 30)? Jesus likely was Sabbath-observant for thousands of Sabbath days over his life, since that was a point of contention of the Pharisees throughout the gospels.
But what possible value could Sabbath observance have in pointing to Jesus and the 'New Covenant'?
Adam said- Huh? Why would you even ask that?
TEC said- Because you are writing as though God could not have rested from his creating, and then continued to work.
TEC, a five yr old SHOULD understand that weekly calendars, whether ancient or modern, are cyclic, and simply repeat, eg:
Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday
That's EXACTLY the point of my question: since Genesis One sets up a cycle for days/weeks on "God Time" (where the concept of counting days started LONG BEFORE even the Earth and mankind are created, where an Earth day is based on a 24-hour cycle of the Earth rotating on it's axis), and God observes a day of rest on Day Seven, why is the temporal reference to "God Days" dropped like a hot potato?