Do Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY believe that their worldly friends, relatives and small children will be slain in the street by god?

by jambon1 33 Replies latest jw friends

  • irondork
    irondork

    Originaly posted by LeavingWT in this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/218026/1/Will-only-incorrigibly-wicked-people-be-destroyed-at-Armageddon

    "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of survivingthe impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19

    "Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it."Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

    "Is it presumptuous of Jehovah's Witnesses to point out that they alone have God's backing? Actually, no more so than when the Israelites in Egypt claimed to have God's backing in spite of the Egyptians' belief, or when the first-century Christians claimed to have God's backing to the exclusion of Jewish religionists." Watchtower 2001 Jun 1 p.16

    "During the final period of the ancient world that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful preacher of righteousness. (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovahs people are making known Gods righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark,survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovahs universal organization." Watchtower2006 May 15 p.22 "Are You Prepared for Survival?"

    "There are billions of people who do not know Jehovah. Many of them in ignorance practice things that God's Word shows to be wicked. If they persist in this course, they will be among those who perish during the great tribulation." Watchtower 1993 Oct 1 p.19

    "If we stop actively supporting Jehovah's work, then we start following Satan. There is no middle ground." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.18

    "But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

    "But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy." Watchtower 1993 Sep 15 p.22

    "Only Christian witnesses of Jehovah who successfully pass this test will survive and come forth like fire-refined gold for God's use in his precious new order." Watchtower 1985 Mar 1 p.14

    "And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovahs organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a "great war cry."" Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.21

    "But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave", made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do." Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.27

    "This great crowd is part of the only truly united multinational organization on earth today. They do not cry out that they owe salvation to the holy spirit, for they are not servants of a trinitarian god. In some 200 geographical territories around the earth, they are at one in calling upon the name of Jehovah as they speak the one pure language of truth. (Zephaniah 3:9) Properly, they publicly acknowledge that their salvation comes from Jehovah, the God of salvation, through Jesus Christ, His Chief Agent of salvation.-Psalm 3:8; Hebrews 2:10. Modern technology has helped to make the loud voice of the united great crowd sound even louder. No other religious group on earth has need of publishing Bible study aids in more than 200 languages, since no other group is interested in reaching all peoples of earth with one united message." Revelation pp.122-123

    "They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovahs organization is essential to their salvation." Kingdom Ministry 1990 Nov p.1

    "Direct Interest Progressively on Bible Studies: The primary purpose of a Bible study is to teach the truth of God's Word. It should also build in the student an appreciation for Jehovahs organization and make him aware of the vital need to become part of it. ... The weekly Bible study should include instruction that will help students appreciate the organization and take advantage of provisions for their salvation. Take a few minutes each week to relate or describe something about the organization and how it functions. You can find helpful talking points in the November 1, 1984, Watchtower. The brochures Jehovahs Witnesses in the Twentieth Century and Jehovahs Witnesses Unitedly Doing God's Will Worldwide discuss major facets of the organization and how they may benefit us. Arranging for Bible students to view the video Jehovah's WitnessesThe Organization Behind the Name will let them see for themselves what it is accomplishing." Kingdom Ministry 1993 Apr p.3

    "As this spiritual warfare advanced, those serving with Jehovah's organization were refreshed by continuing flashes of Bible understanding, and their numbers grew until, in 1938, as many as 50,769 reported Kingdom service during an international testimony period." Watchtower 1984 Jan 1 p.11

    "Those who will form the nucleus of the "new earth", a new earthly society of rightly disposed people, are being gathered during these last days. They are already nearly seven million strong, in at least 235 lands and in some 100,000 congregations. These millions have been learning the righteous and just ways of Jehovah, and as a result, worldwide they enjoy a unity that is cemented by Christian love. Their unity is the most pronounced and enduring in the history of the world, a unity exceeding anything experienced by Satan's subjects." Watchtower 2007 Aug 15 p.26

    "Moreover, the attendance at the Memorial of Jesus Christs death last year indicates that some ten million people who are not Witnesses of Jehovah were sufficiently interested in the good news to attend this important commemoration." Kingdom Ministry 2008 Feb p.6"What will happen to young children at Armageddon? The Bible does not directly answer that question, and we are not the judges. However, the Bible does show that God views the young children of true Christians as "holy." (1 Cor. 7:14) It also reveals that in times past when God destroyed the wicked he likewise destroyed their little ones." Reasoning from the Scriptures pp.47-48

    "Children are affected by the course of their parents, and parents are warned that their iniquity is visited on their offspring unto the third and fourth generation. (Ex. 20:5, 6) Parents are commanded to instruct their children in God's way, and if in these last days parents refuse to heed the divine instruction and warning they bring destruction upon themselves and their small children at Armageddon. (Deut. 6:6, 7; Eph. 6:4) According to justice God can leave such children dead, for, as Ezekiel showed, all die in their iniquity." Watchtower 1950 Nov 15 p.463 Questions From Readers

    "By all the evidences this system of things is hastening to its final confrontation with the God of justice at Armageddon. Parents and children who fail to gain the "mark on their foreheads," that is, an adequate appreciation of God's moral standard, are sure to suffer. Parents will be held accountable for their children, and children will suffer for the failure of their parents." Watchtower 1968 Feb 1 pp.83-84

    "That is not all there is to God's judgment against Babylon the Great. Her final destruction is soon to com e. (Revelation 18:21) With good reason, the Bible urges people everywhere: "Get out of her [Babylon the Great] . . . if you do not want to share with her in her sins." (Revelation 18:4, 5) How do we get out of Babylon the Great? This involves more than just severing any ties with false religion. Babylonish influence is present in many popular celebrations and customs, in the world's permissive attitude toward sex, in the promoting of entertainment involving spiritism, and much more. To keep on the watch, it is vital that both in our actions and in the desires of our heart, we give evidence that we are truly separate from Babylon the Great in every way." Watchtower 2000 Oct 1 p.24

    "Still, Jehovah will not destroy at random. Some humans will be saved. "You went forth for the salvation of your people, to save your anointed one," says Habakkuk 3:13. Yes, Jehovah will save his faithful anointed servants. The destruction of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, will then be complete. Today, however, the nations are trying to wipe out pure worship. Soon, Jehovah's servants will be attacked by the forces of Gog of Magog." Watchtower 2000 Feb 1 p.22

    "Let us recognize that Christendom is doomed, along with all the rest of Babylon the Great. She has refused to repent of her religiously immoral or adulterous course of action, her friendship with this world. (Jas. 4:4) She is like the rest of the ungodly world, even after Jehovah's Christian witnesses have plainly declared God's impending judgment to her." Watchtower 1972 Dec 15 p.753

    "The narrow door to salvation stands open to all. But the "many" do not like to struggle to enter. What are some factors about going through the narrow door that require vigorous exertion? A person must first gain accurate knowledge of Bible truth, and get to know Jehovah God and Christ Jesus. (John 17:3) This means casting aside the traditions and practices of worldly religions, including those of Christendom. It requires doing God's will, as Jesus did it while here on earth. (1 Peter 2:21) As a dedicated, baptized Christian, one must also avoid the materialism, the immorality, and the uncleanness of the world." Watchtower 1986 Jan 15 p.12

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    I was in my garden last night as the young crows circled over the woods on their first flights making an awful din & it hit me how we JWs used to be gleeful in the years leading up to 1975 at the news from within the borg that there had been a noticable rise in the number carrion birds.

    It always bothered me that the gore & smell of all the rotting people would be just too horrendous for a normal human to come to terms with.

    And then apparently you would be assigned a area to pick up all the broken bones of mothers & fathers, children & babies that god had killed & pile them up ready for burying.

    Now I've distanced myself from the JW's I can see their dogma is chilling.

    Hoab

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    And thus you have hit on exactly why this rotten little religion can be utterly rejected out of hand.

  • notjustyet
    notjustyet

    I wonder if their ever was an Elder that wanted someones nice house in service SO MUCH that he would send Brother Goofus to their door so that they would not learn the truth and would then die at the Big A so he could get first dibs on their house.

    How about creating a form that would allow the Jws to write down their name, congregation, status, ( pioneer, MS, x years etc) , address of the residence they are interested, time and date along with a place for an Elder to sign off on.

    If this form were to be made to look legitimate do you know any Jws that would ACTUALLY fill it in?

    How about a footnote on the bottom that would say:

    "It is up to the Jw that has been assigned this residence to personally be responsible to remove any and all bodies, including children from said property to the street for routine pickup and disposal"

    NJY

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    And this god is supposed to our friend isn't he yadda........I always knew in my heart I didn't like him.

  • keyser soze
    keyser soze
    The reply was "When Armageddon comes Jehovah can read all honest ones hearts, and many who are not witnesses will be saved."
    Is this a new slant? Or was it just a way to try and get me back? I suspect the latter, but shows that even die hard JWs can't stand to think of billions dying.

    It's not a new slant. It's how JWs, even those who fully understand the ramifications of Armageddon, are able to justify it to themselves.

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    Yes because in their heart of hearts they just can't stomach telling peeps the real WT doctrine.

    If big J judges peoples heart condition at the point he's gonna strike them down with the BIG A then what is the point of the preaching work done by JW's?

  • flipper
    flipper

    Yes, they really do believe it. Most of them are heavily mind controlled by the WT Society to believe that as a fact. As you state- it's disgusting

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Yes they do....at least most of them and the others dare not admit it. The doctrine is heavily pushed from the platform. How else would they get the flock to go from house to house? "Save yourself and those who listen to you" is the motive . "Brothers, we are doing a lifesaving work!" , I have heard ,and said, many times

    THat said most dubs are not raving psychopaths so how do they cope with it? The WTS does give a deliberately vague and fuzzy answer these days . They leave it to God to judge mental defectives and other problem questions. The average Witness just dare not think about the horrors of Armageddon. "Just leave it in Jehovah's hands, he will do what is right" is the standard mantra. So they shelve responsibility on to him and just keep busy.

    It is also believed that these nice next-door neighbours will not stay nice at the the end. When God puts the wheels in motion and the system breaks down, "Each man's hand will be against his brother", looting and raping and murder will be the order of the day as the thin veneer of civilisation slips from the people (in sharp contrast to the holy conduct of "God's people"...so they will not feel sorry for them at the end of the day when the all act like crazed animals.....

    Arn't we glad that we are out of it ?

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    They don't know what they believe. Jw.Org says " NO ", to the question of ," Will only Jw's be saved?" Still many, like my Mom, think you must be in the " Ark " to be saved. What is the " Ark?" It means being a baptized/fully active/whole-souled JW. I said , " Will Jehovah destroy billions of people just for being born in China?" Cognitive dissonance followed by silence, then we were interrupted by an Elder/family member..

    They are really confused. I saw Man of Steel recently. Lot's of buildings were destroyed. After the movie, one dub said, " That's what Armageddon will be like." The had a slight gleam in their eye. They have zero experience with any real persecution, especially American Dubs. They have never seen someone die a horrible death in front of them. They have not buried bodies of loved ones or fellow citizens. They have no idea what they are wishing for.

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