Roffies can be put in anything without taste, even water. The girl may have been drinking a coke or sprite or water. Williams is a nasty bi*ch for saying anything at all except-- how dreadful for her(the victim)
Serena Williams: teen rape victim 'lucky'
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OnTheWayOut
What if someone were to walk through the section 8 projects on a Saturday night at midnight yelling out the "N" word as loud as possible.. over and over and over again.
If this led to this person getting shot or killed, do they bear ANY responsibility for what happened?
They were just exercising their first amendment right to free speach and all.
There is something to be said for contributing to risk. I already agreed on that point. But even in such a case as this, I don't say "Well, you are black and this white man went around denegrating your people. Even though he didn't physically do anything to you, you had to kill him. So, you are excused." NO NO NO!
But things similar to that kind of thing were said in reverse in the past: "That black man was following that white woman. I know what he was up to, he didn't belong in this area, so I shot him." It wouldn't make that killing any more foregiveable if he were yelling something about white women.
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Band on the Run
Lord of the Flies says it all. Well put.
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Laika
Whilst I agree that the person in stealth's example should not be punished with extreme violence or murder, using racist language is wrong and is clearly intended to provoke/upset people. Drinking too much should not provoke/upset anyone.
I should probably be more calm in my responses, but it really bothers me that conversations on rape nearly always seem to spend more time focussing on what the girl shouldn't have done than what the boy(s) shouldn't have done!
Band on the run, what does Lord of the Flies have to do with anything? I don't remember any rape scenes in that book.
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sd-7
Well, my first thought about this situation was that it was sickening that several young men (using the term loosely) were participating in this act. The way they were all upset after the trial was baffling to me, and I felt no sympathy for them at all, just seeing some of the pictures they posted on social media. The wrong and the evil rests upon them. A gentleman, and a true friend, would have gotten this girl out of there and taken her home and would have done everything possible to protect her decency. And if anything, she would've been 'lucky' to have a friend like that looking out for her that night. Sadly, she didn't.
Fact is, teenagers do dangerous and stupid things. Getting drunk with friends or at a party as a teenager, though illegal in the U.S., is probably a fairly commonplace event, though dangerous and stupid because this kind of thing can happen. That gave no license to those fools to have their way with her. The bottom line is that they did stuff to her they had no permission to do, and they engaged in a gross violation by doing so. Hey, maybe she actually trusted these guys, I don't know. I mean, I can't imagine anyone would go party with people they thought would rape them, right? As sick as these guys obviously were, they may well have tried to rape her whether she was drunk or not.
Bottom line: you don't go waving your cash around on a dark street at night, but if you get robbed, you don't go to jail for it, the robber does, hopefully. So who was wrong here? The answer is obvious. Individual freedom from being raped still trumps individual responsibility to avoid getting drunk.
Does that mean it's a good idea for a teenage girl to get drunk at a party? Of course not. But she didn't sign over the rights to her body on account of that, either.
I doubt Serena Williams intended harm by what she said, but it's clear that not nearly enough can be said against the young men who were truly responsible for this heinous behavior. I think that's where the focus of this issue should be.
--sd-7
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Simon
In one way, the interview with Serena Williams is representative of the problem.
Why do we care what sports personalities think? Why is a tennis player being asked about this even? Why are they given so much respect or adoration outside of them actually playing their sport?
The cynic in me thinks they are asked about a whole raft of things until they hit on something that they get 'wrong'. They dont have time to consider or research the facts ... it's 'bam', there's the answer and off to press. Could each of us say we could honestly remember all the details without having to go look things up? It sounded like she was vague on some of the facts.
Of course it's intentionl for the magazine to sell copies. It unlikely represents what people may really think or believe.
But it comes back to sports personalities being put on a pedastal when they shouldn't.
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barry
You are right Simon, we don't even have all the facts and without the facts how can we then make a judgement. The media want a story because thats their business. I was interviewed by the media about a breakin at the end of my street and the interviewer put words into my mouth on camera. I was very quick to correct the interviewer and the story went to air anyway.
Because of this I have first hand of how they operate. Barry
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designs
Many athletes operate as business franchises, you are Serena inc., you recommend you sell you have your brands on the market to young buyers. You get looked up to for good or bad advise because you have become wealthy and successful. I hope there is a future opportunity where Serena can correct the flubs she made in this interview and rethink who are the responsible parties in cases of violence against women.
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kurtbethel
Serena, meet Paula Deen.
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sarahsmile
Maybe, those two boys drugged her first drink! the next day she THOUGHT she had too much to drink becaused she was drugged.
They should make it illegal to drink alcohol at football stadiums.