Its obvious that it's His sandals.
Those sandals rule !
Jesus belongings
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heathen
The scripture seems to indicate that the slave is appointed over the other slaves as he can be the evil slave that beats his fellow slaves since the master is delaying then he gets thrown out and ascribed a place with the hypocrites , I don't think it's apostates as the WTBTS seems to promote the idea of, if you denounce the WTBTS you become the evil slave .. they seem to be all over the place with this as well , they promote themselves as prophets then demote themselves as scribes and schollars now the appointment will happen later at the last minute , crazy nonsense like that ,,, unbelievable , this ship has lost it's rudder
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Bobcat
DATA-DOG:
Here is the quote from the Insight Book:
Yet, the impossibility of each and every one of these individuals being placed over "all" his master's belongings at the same time, the time of the master's arrival, is obvious.
What they are doing, as you see too, they are taking a parable, which is meant to teach a lesson, and taking it to its literal extreme. In effect, they are 'straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel.' They remind me of the disciples in Matthew 16:
(Matthew 16:5-11) 5 Now the disciples crossed to the other side and forgot to take loaves along. 6 Jesus said to them: “Keep YOUR eyes open and watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 7 So they began to reason among themselves, saying: “We did not take any loaves along.” 8 Knowing this, Jesus said: “Why are YOU doing this reasoning among yourselves, because YOU have no loaves, YOU with little faith? 9 Do YOU not yet see the point, or do YOU not remember the five loaves in the case of the five thousand and how many baskets YOU took up? 10 Or the seven loaves in the case of the four thousand and how many provision baskets YOU took up? 11 How is it YOU do not discern that I did not talk to YOU about loaves? But watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
For example, here are three short parables from Matthew 13:
44 “The kingdom of the heavens is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid; and for the joy he has he goes and sells what things he has and buys that field.
45 “Again the kingdom of the heavens is like a traveling merchant seeking fine pearls. 46 Upon finding one pearl of high value, away he went and promptly sold all the things he had and bought it.
47 “Again the kingdom of the heavens is like a dragnet let down into the sea and gathering up [fish] of every kind. 48 When it got full they hauled it up onto the beach and, sitting down, they collected the fine ones into vessels, but the unsuitable they threw away. 49 That is how it will be in the conclusion of the system of things: the angels will go out and separate the wicked from among the righteous 50 and will cast them into the fiery furnace. There is where [their] weeping and the gnashing of [their] teeth will be.
In the parable of the hidden treasure, if taken literally, the man buying the field is acting somewhat dishonestly. He knows there is buried treasure in someone else's field and keeps it secret until he can get his hands on it.
In the parable of the fine pearl, the man sells out his business just so he can have a unique pearl. Of course, he bought it to have it, not re-sell it. So how is he going make a living now?
In the parable of the dragnet, if you think about it, the bad fish get away alive since they are thrown back. The good fish end up in the frying pan.
None of these were meant to be taken to a literal extreme. They teach a particular lesson without needing to make sense to the extreme. In fact, some commentators, like R.T. France, mention that part of the attention-getting value of Jesus' parables is the fact that they don't always make sense if taken to their logical end.
Another example of what the Society is doing is when Jesus' said, 'Break down this temple and in three days I will raise it up.' His enemies took him literally. (John 2:18-22) And then later used their mis-application against him (Mt 26:61; 27:40)
Of course, trying to reason with the Society is a waste of time. C O Jonsson found that out when he tried to reason with them about the Gentile times. There is a reason why they want 607. And there is a reason why they want their explanation of the F&DS.
Take Care
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This believes is so ridiculous that they have Jesus "coming" and leaving at least three times:
1- He came, and left on 33 AD
2- He came again in 1919, and left the WT/GB/FDS supposedly in charge
3- He comes again soon.
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Bobcat
Heathen:
In the parable, the "evil slave" IS the "faithful slave," IF the conditional "if ever" takes place.
It is interesting that in Luke it says, "but if ever that slave should say in his heart . . ."
Matthew's version has, "But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart . . ."
Both use "But" which indicates a change of some sort. "If ever" is called a third-class conditional argument, representing a possibility, not necessarliy something destined to happen. "That" (Greek ekeinos) refers to 'the one previously mentioned,' which in this case is the slave previously referred to as 'faithful and discreet.'
Luke has "that slave." Matthew has "that evil slave." Matthew's is thought to be an Aramaism wherein the slave is "evil" based on what Jesus is about to say about him. Otherwise, if the "evil slave" is a seperate person, that means that the master had a known "evil slave" on his staff - which was OK as long as he doesn't start thinking that his master is delaying and start beating his fellow slaves - then there will be trouble!
Another item of interest is the fact that the discussion in Luke happens a few weeks, possibly months before the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. Matthew's version is a slimmed down version of Luke's, which makes sense since the disciples have already heard the long version not too long before this. (Similarly, Matthew 24:36-42 is a slimmed down version of Luke 17:26-30 which, the discourse in Luke occurs a few weeks prior to Matthew 24. Many commercials on TV do this to. You get the full version the first few times and then a slimmed down version afterwards.)
Incidentally (for anyone reading), there was more discussion on the F&DS on this thread. (And many others too.) Here is a thread on the "evil slave" aspect.
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Bobcat
Another indication in the parable (especially the Lukan version) that it has wide application among the disciples is the punishments meted out when the master returns.
Some are judged "evil" due to mis-treatment of fellow slaves. Notice the reasoning that follows (verses 47, 48):
"Then that slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes. 48 But the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed everyone to whom much was given . . ."
The explanation of the review after the master returns itself spreads out to describe one who is evil, another who knew but didn't do, and another who didn't do because of not knowing. It then spreads out even more with the "everyone to whom much was given. . ." saying/principle.
How could this apply to a single composite slave? How could a single composite slave "understand the will of his master" and yet "not understand"? "Do the will of his master" and yet not "do" it?
But it does make sense that when citing this parable the Society NEVER includes this part of it. What Jesus describes as the master's review of the slaves completely destroys the WT explanation of this parable.
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heathen
yah I know the FDS is chosen then is given time to prove himself , I was stating that the evil slave is probably not the ," apostates", since they were merely members of the religion and disagree , the WTBTS is now saying that they aren't appointed over anyone but still consider themselves the FDS . They really made a twisted mess of it . They are now even saying the tribulaton hasn't started and the FDS is selected during it later on . Unbelievable , I remember them saying the tribulation started in 1914 and Rutherford got the keys to the kingdom in 1919 so the zions watch bible students considered themselves the light bearers and all that sort of fullfillment of the global preaching work ...
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Hey, did the wts release anything on what those belongings were yet?
Peace,
tammy
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DATA-DOG
According to the GB, the " FDS " cannot be individual Christians. They say this because it is a collective slave.
Bible School Time:
Ok GB, let's put on our thinking caps. What is a collective comprised of? That's right! Individuals! Good job little GB! So if Jesus was talking about a collective slave, then it must include individuals, right?! If it did not, could it be a collective? That's right! No, it could not!
Remember Isaiah 43:10? Yes, that's right. Now what did you say about that verse?? Anyone? That's correct! A nation of individuals was spoken of as a collective servant. So, if it is possible for 8 of you individuals to be placed over Christ's belongings collectively, then why not 18, or 80, or 100, or 144,000 or millions of individual faithful Christians? Do you want to try to do everything by yourselves? Of course not!
So what do we call it when we want everything for ourselves? Anyone? Samuel? David? Anthony!? Yes, Mark, I see your hand, go ahead. Yes, that's right! Selfishness. When we want everything for ourselves we are being selfish. Does Jesus like us being selfish? No...he wants us to.. what? Yes, Stephen? Very good,...he wants us to cooperate! Good job everyone! Time for snacks and a nap!