May you all have peace!
So, as some of you might know (or discern)... or not... I am not your usual submissive/in subjection kind of girl. Given what some apparently expect of women... as wives, daughters, female friends... and in general... I was curious about the greater fulfillment of Genesis 3:16, because many are of the belief that it applies to ALL women as to ALL men... (including those that aren't their husbands)... and not the just one being addressed at the time (Eve as to Adham).
Personally, other than Paul's position on women teaching in public (which was borne of what was occurring in the region at the time, due to by-then Jewish culture and Roman occupation)... and Peter's admonishment for wives to submit themselves to their OWN husbands... that I know of nothing that validates a woman being in subjection to anyone other than her own husband, and even then such "subjection" is not puerile or unrestrained (so as to just be a given), but borne of love and respect FOR her husband (in which case it should not be difficult)... who is obligated to honor HER, as well.
So... I took the matter to my Lord, just in case I was missing something. Partly because the expectation of women... even from other women... is sometimes fascinating to me. Men who are forthright, no-nonsense, to the point, even blunt are well-regarded (indeed, to be so is often considered a strength!), while women are "supposed" to be... well, the word that comes to mind is "nice" (which, IMHO, actually translates to weaker... in mind and emotion), and more "giving" (which, IMHO, actually translates into "taking more" guff, sometimes even with head bowed and eyelids lowered) and things like these.
Rather than share here what I received on the matter, I want to ask anyone here who would care to respond as to what THEY might think:
1. Under what circumstances do you believe, if you do so believe, a woman is to be in subjection to, say, a man who is NOT her own husband... and what is the basis for that?
(Note, I realize that this is the case in many cultures; some, women are even in subjection to their sons, once these are deemed to be "men." Based on what is recorded in the Bible, however, all of the reverent men up and including Christ didn't seem to have this position; some, not even as to themselves as husbands.)
2. On what, besides custom and tradition, do you, if you do, believe that women are to be in subjection to men (other than perhaps her own husband)?
3. Do "strong-willed" women who appear to "have a problem with" submission make you nervous and, if so, why?
4. Do you consider a woman who is NOT submissive to men in general... and/or fails to recognize the customary establishments (or attempts to establish) a "pecking-order" among a group of women (and there is indeed such a custom albeit unspoken among women, but it is ONLY a custom)... "concerning"?
These are not trick questions nor are they "bait" or attempts to lure anyone into any kind of a discussion they might not want to have. It may turn out that there is some spiritual discussion (because I believe a lot of the beliefs related to these matters come from religious teachings), but not necessarily. I am just truly curious to hear what others might have to say on these matters, so I hope others do comment.
Again, peace to you!
A slave of Christ,