My letter to elders. Just drafted... PLEASE tell me what you think... Greybeard (page 3)

DATA-DOG

you could say, " please consider this prayerfully " instead of " why is that? ". Maybe don't say " enough said ", keep it professional. Don't threaten legal action in a letter. If they contact you again, just tell them that you will file because of slander because you have no other recourse. Tell then face to face, and record everything. If you do decide to file make it clear that you will not do so if they meet certain criteria. They WILL postpone whatever they are planning. They have no mind of thier own, just like Elephant.

shadow

what is your goal? to help them or help yourself?

do you want to avoid getting df'd?

Greybeard

Thanks everyone for your quick input. Here is the final draft I just dropped off:

To: All elders in the Grover Beach Congregation of Jehovah Witnesses, The Watchtower Corporation and Governing Body of "Jehovah Witnesses"

From: Gregg Blasingame

CC: Watchtower Inc.

Dear Brothers,

Due to recent accusations of apostasy and my conversation with elder Ron Dare of the local Grover Beach congregation of Jehovah Witnesses, I have been asked to a judicial meeting. I told Ron Dare over the phone some of my concerns and why I had doubts and he asked me to write a letter stating I am no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I told him I could never write such a letter and refuse to do so. I am still a witness of our most high God and his son Christ Jesus. I also have questions for the Watchtower corporation ran by the governing body and request that you or they answer my questions in writing. No one has tried to as of yet. The scriptures tell us to "test every inspired utterance" yet it is not allowed in this organization. I have been told to keep my questions to myself and "wait on Jehovah" by elders, my father, brother who is an elder, family and JW's friends. Nobody has been able to answer my questions and I am now being labeled an "apostate."

Jude 1:22 tells us, "continue showing mercy to some that have doubts" yet if you are a baptized member of the Watchtower organization and you express doubts in the men who run it, the governing body, you will be disfellowshipped.

What I am guilty of is expressing that I no longer put my trust in man and my only leader is Christ Jesus as commanded in the Bible. Psalms 146:3, Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs." Matthew 23:10, "Neither be called ‘leaders, for YOUR Leader is one, the Christ."

I told brother Ron Dare I have not been to the Kingdom Hall in over 3 years and am not currently associated with any of the local congregations run by the Watchtower organization.

I was Baptized in March of 1978 and here are the baptism questions I was asked when making my dedication:

Baptismal questions from the Watchtower 1970 May 15 p.309:

(1) Have you recognized yourself as a sinner and needing salvation from Jehovah God? And have you acknowledged that this salvation proceeds from him and through his ransomer, Christ Jesus?

(2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for redemption have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to Jehovah God, to do his will henceforth as that will is revealed to you through Christ Jesus and through God's Word as his holy spirit makes it plain?

Please notice the change in the current baptismal questions:

Baptismal questions from the Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30:

(1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

(2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

I was 16 years old when I got baptized. It was a dedication from my heart to my heavenly father and his son Christ Jesus. Not to any man, organization or Watchtower Corporation. When I was dedicated in 1978, a "governing body" didn't even exist to me. That was something just forming at the time. As a matter of fact, I was too young to legally enter a life long contract with any organization as the current baptismal questions would have me do. Due to many things being handled wrongly by elders in my early years growing up from 18 years old on, I learned not to trust men. I was a victim of mental abuse and my confidential talk to elders was betrayed. Due to these experiences I never desired to join the ranks of elders or ministerial servants. There is no legal right for YOU or the organization to disfellowship me that I am aware of. You have no such binding contract with me. I am dedicated to Jehovah and his son Christ Jesus. Not any man or organization.

If you truly do love me and want to help me then please answer my questions:

May 1, 1997 Watchtower quotes ISAIAH 44:25, 26 as the theme scripture and says this:

“I am ... the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers.” The article continues, “JEHOVAH GOD is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning—yes, their foolish, fleshly thinking!”

I was in shock when I first read this and really was at a loss for words. Have any of the “signs and predictions”of the Watchtower come true? Has not the WT organization been frustrated with countless wrong predictions over 100 years? With their own words do they not condemn themselves by saying, “In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning—yes, their foolish, fleshly thinking!” The same article continues, “How thankful we should be that Jehovah identifies his true messengers! He is indeed “the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers.” The Watchtower has many times compared itself with Prophets of old including Moses, Isaiah and Ezekiel and this article continues, “…all people living then saw God’s ‘bared arm’ exerting power in human affairs in order to bring about the astounding salvation of a nation. They were given unimpeachable proof that Isaiah and Ezekiel were Jehovah’s true messengers."

These are not my words, these are the words of a recent Watchtower magazine. So my question to you is how can they condemn others like this and where is this "unimpeachable proof" that the governing body of the Watchtower organization is Gods true messengers as they claim? None of the words the Watchtower told me came true. The following was told to me:

This was the "creators promise" as appeared in the masthead of the Awake for years as I was growing up:"Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away."

I was also told this:

Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!"

The Watchtowers words did not come true. I am now 50 years old. I never thought I would drive a car, get married, need an education or money to survive. Now I am old, lost everything including my wife, children and most of my family and I ask you. Where is this "unimpeachable proof" that you are Gods true messengers? I would really like to see it. Time ran out on the 1914 generation. The cover of the Watchtower May 15, 1984 has a picture with 16 older Jehovah Witnesses on it and the caption reads, "1914, the generation that will not pass away." Every person on that cover is now dead. Is this "unimpeachable proof?" Truth is the new overlapping generation teaching of the Watchtower is not "new light" from Jehovah, time ran out on this false prediction. The Watchtower is guilty of what they condemn other for, "false predictions" in the May 1,1997 Watchtower.

This quote really upset me and I ask you how could the Watchtower and Awake say such things:

“True, there have been those in times past who predicted an “end to the world,” even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The “end” did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? Missing from such people were God’s truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them.” Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.23

Do I need to quote all the false predictions of the Watchtower? The Watchtower is known world wide for its record of false predictions. At Matthew 12:36 Jesus said, "I tell YOU that every unprofitable saying that men speak, they will render an account concerning it on Judgment Day; for by your words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned.” The Watchtower has tried to hide it's history. The new website JW.org only will show Watchtower articles dating back to the year 2000. Most everyone knows the reason why they do not make all Watchtowers available. It is full of flip flops in teachings and many false predictions.

I was told the Watchtower organization never claimed to be a prophet of God many times. Yet I have several articles that prove otherwise. Could they be anymore clear in the following statements:

The Watchtower from March 15, 1972 makes this statement on page 189 from the bound volume:

"More accurately, was there any group on whom Jehovah would be willing to bestow the commission to speak as a 'prophet' in His name, as was done toward Ezekiel back there in 613 B.C.E.?"

The same Watchtower on page 190 goes on further:

"It is of importance to every individual on earth to identify the group that Jehovah has commissioned as his 'servant' or messenger.... For this reason forthcoming issues of The Watchtower will further discuss the identity and work of Jehovah's commissioned messenger as revealed in His vision to Ezekiel"

It is followed with the ultimate claim of being a prophet in the "forthcoming issue" of the Watchtower, from April 1, 1972, on page 197 it states:

"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"

These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? ... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses. ... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. (What does the record show I ask you?) Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom." Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'

If that is not clear enough for you, here is more from the Watchtower organization.

"All True Christians ARE Prophets. The New American Bible correctly states: "Prophet means 'one who speaks for another,' especially for God. It does not necessarily mean that he predicts the future!" You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets, or witnesses for God. In fact, they are known throughout the world as Jehovah's Witnesses." Awake! 1986 Jun 8 p. 9

Here is how Watchtower explains this:

"Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions 'in the name of Jehovah.' Never did they say, 'These are the words of Jehovah.'" Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

My question is how can the Watchtower say such a statement when they have said the following:

"Today, Jehovah provides instruction by means of "the faithful steward." Pay Attention to Yourself and to All The Flock p.13

"commissioned to serve as the mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah … commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah…" The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah" - How? pp.58,62

"… commission to speak as a "prophet" in His name…" Watchtower 1972 Mar 15 p.189

"Jehovah God has made known to his anointed ones in advance what these Scriptures mean." Watchtower 1931 Jun 1 p.160

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

"… the truths I present, as God's mouthpiece…" Zion's Watch Tower 1906 Jul 15 p.230

"No man can properly interpret prophecy, and the Lord sends his angels to transmit correct information to his people." Watchtower 1936 Feb 15 p.52

So you see, based on the above quotes from the Watchtower I have a very difficult time trusting in men as my leaders. I feel I have been lied to. There has never been any admission of wrong or apology for any of this. Now I am 50 years old. I have lost everything including my wife because I believe I was told wrong things and mislead. How can you disfellowship me for asking legitimate questions?

Please help me with these questions and tell me where I am wrong for asking them. Didn't Christ point out the mistakes of the leaders in his day? Wasn't he put to death as an apostate? If you feel justified in doing this then in my opinion, you are going way beyond scripture.

With all due respect... As far as your invitation to meet with you I have this to say, "Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by YOU or by a human tribunal. Even I do not examine myself. For I am not conscious of anything against myself. Yet by this I am not proved righteous, but he that examines me is Jehovah. Hence do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God." 1 Corinthians 4:3-5

I thank you for your help in the past and pray you will not make any announcement about me but rather answer these questions in writing. I will forward them to the Watchtower but honestly do not believe I will get an answer from them. I will try.

I have not been to your Kingdom Hall in over 3 years. I have been very depressed and have wished I could die due to recent events. If you do make some kind of an announcement their could be very serious repercussions. I feel I have been mentally abused by the Watchtower and elders for years as their promises, creators promises as they put it, have not came true and now they are chastising me for pointing that out to those who ask why I no longer go.

To all of you I am already dead. When they were putting Jesus to death they broke the other two men's legs so they would die faster. When they came to Jesus they didn't break his legs because he was already dead. I am dead to you so why would you insist on breaking my legs?

I have been partaking for the last three years. I am now reborn in Christ. He is my leader. Is that a disfelowshipping offense? You can say anything against the son of man, Christ, and it will be forgiven you. However, don't dare say anything against the governing body, pointing out their mistakes or it will not be forgiven.

Please consider this prayerfully,

Sincerely yours,

Gregg Blasingame

tec

Mr. Flipper threatened a lawsuit, didn't he? You should ask him, maybe, how he went about wording that. Because he had his df'ing revoked, didn't he? I'm not sure I have that right, so you would have to ask him.

If you do not want to threaten with a lawsuit (and I did not think that was a bad thing at all, for slander, especially considering that you have not apostasized from the baptism you underwent - that was my favorite part in your letter, btw), then you could still say that you will use all of your resources to ensure that people know the truth of what you've written in your letter to them (as part of your serious repercussions). (I think you have that in there though)

Good letter, though.

Peace,

tammy

Lozhasleft

No advice to add Gregg, just want to say I admire your courage and think your letter is superb. Well done to you. Will be following developments with interest. All the best.

Loz x

DATA-DOG

Can I copy it for the future? I won't plagiarize it, but your points were made so well and mirror my own sentiments. Maybe I could look at it just for reference. I had a bunch of info ready to share with the elders at my last meeting. I was still naive enough to think it would be considered. It became clear that presenting any truth, even from thier own literature was probably futile. In fact I believe that I would be DF'd right now if I had given them all that information. You are brave, and you have had enough, they are not your salvation.

DD

Farkel

It doesn't matter. You are doomed.

Also, this statement is incorrect:

: When I was dedicated in 1978, a "governing body" didn't even exist to me. That was something just forming at the time.

The modern Governing Body was formed about 1972 or 1973, not 1978. I left in 1974 and that arrangement was already in place.

Farkel

NOLAW

Check Yearbook of 1972 (1971 Annual meeting talks about GB), incidentally i was reading it this morning.

DesirousOfChange

FALCON: The funny thing about what's written in the Watchtower and Awakes, even recent ones, is that no devout JW really gives two sh*ts about what's written. There is an underlying arrangement set in stone, and you either follow it, or you're out. It's kind of like a Hallmark card, they are nice to get and the funny little quip/inspirational poem/motivational statement may be quite comforting and make you feel all warm and fuzzy, but 20 seconds after putting down the card, you forget all about it. Same way with the WT literature. It's almost written from a dog's perspective. A dog doesn't remember the past nor cares for the future; it live in the NOW.

Falcon, that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO true. In fact, most don't even READ what is written in the WT Publications. They peddle them at the door, while all the time they have no idea what is inside. Most have NO IDEA of doctrine or it basis. Arguing with a JW is like arguing with a wall.

Doc

00DAD

It's well written, but very long. Less is more as others have observed. What do you want to accomplish by writing this?

Do you want to disassociate yourself? If not then you should (if you even write a letter) only assert most firmly a denial of any rumors to the contrary.

Consider in particular what LeavingWT said.

00DAD

My letter to elders. Just drafted... PLEASE tell me what you think... Greybeard

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