"My sheep hear my voice."

by tec 58 Replies latest jw friends

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  shamus100

  >:O
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  ammo

  Thanks for taking the time out to share your personal views on this topic Tec.

  Much Love to you

  x
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  tec

  I call B.S. on that. Even the person experiencing can be wrong and not really know the difference. Tec even admitted she could mistake the experience.

  I said two things:

  - that on some things, I can consider the possibility that I carry an inner dialogue. Not on other things.

  - that i could dismiss what i hear (not the same as mistake).

  You know, absolutely know, that Christianity is right.

  No. I know that Christ is Truth. (not christianity) I know from his teachings; I know from the love and truth in them.

  You entered that decision despite any evidence that might be contrary.

  I have not found any evidence to the contrary of the above.

  Upon knowing, you heard of at least one other person that "heard" details from God, the Holy Spirit, or Jesus himself. You felt that you are just as confident in your faith and must be experiencing the same thing. Next thing you know, you pick up their name for this voice or knowing and you KNOW it also.

  I did not just pick up that name; I did not use it at all.

  But you are correct. I did not know that anyone could hear the spirit, did not even fully grasp that the Spirit is alive; until someone else witnessed to that truth.

  Tec, this is the same way that Mormonism formed (or others, take your pick.). One guy convinced other "spiritual" people that he knew. Soon, they knew. But the one person was a con artist. I know that you know that the Lord wouldn't lead you via a con artist or a mentally disturbed person. But I was there once too. I knew that God, Jesus, holy spirit, whatever led me to "the truth" and spared my life. It's really jolting when you learn that what you were led to isn't what you knew it to be. But that is where you might have to get to realize that what led you wasn't what you knew it to be.

  I hear what you are saying. Believe me, I did not ever know how I could ever trust ME to follow Christ and truth after the witnesses, again. So i did not. Still do not. I trusted myself to God. Then to Christ. I follow Him. Sometimes i make mistakes, sometimes fear gets in my way, or lack of faith, or something someone else says throws me for a loop. Sometimes I just don't know the answer to something, and perhaps I will never know that answer in my lifetime. But I am not going to fear following Christ simply because there are countless charlatons out there. Or even because I might make a mistake along the way, in NOT listening to Him, and IN listening perhaps to one of those charlatons (or religions, of which there is often little difference).

  But this thread was never about convincing anyone. I cannot do that, and i am not even trying to. It was just about explaining what i mean when I say I 'hear', in answer to the allegations raised against me, and in concern for those i am told i might be inadvertently be hurting.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  tec

  Much love to you as well, Ammo. Thank you.

  peace,

  tammy
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  sabastious

  Sab--what do you think about visions? Do you think this is different than Self Talk? I ask, because most of us have this internal voice, as you agree, but seeing visions is very different, and not experienced by most people. So a person can attribute their inner voice to God, if they choose, but what do we do with visions, which are far outside the normal experience of most of us?

  As you know our brains already have the hardware to imitate it's own experiences to create a life like virtual environment. Lucid dreaming is a good example of this. It's possible for the brain to be stimulated into a vision, so within a God framework he too could induce a vision. Again, like "self-talk", it's up to the experiencer to determine whether it was just a random subconscious process or something more.

  -Sab
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  sabastious

  I call B.S. on that. Even the person experiencing can be wrong and not really know the difference. Tec even admitted she could mistake the experience.

  This is true, we can always misinterpret the attempt to convey the message, but that only means that the sender of the message is content with a misinterpretation being within the realm of possibility. If this were not possible, why send the message personally at all and not publically? The message would then have a personal meaning that the reciever could then choose to attempt to convey into the physical realm or not. Ultimately, the risk vs reward would be deciphered by the choice to send the message in the first place, which would be under consideration of the sender, not the reciever. Personal messages given in a way that cannot be empirically demonstrated are sent that way for a reason. Faith has always played a role and that will never change.

  -Sab
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  NewChapter

  I do not have qualifications to state one way or the other; or suggest that someone else is mentally ill or not, especially not over the internet.

  EXACTLY---I am against internet diagnoses. However the opposites hold true---you cannot judge the person mentally ill NOR can you judge them sane. Therefore, should you ever validate such voices and visions given that this comes over the internet?

  Now we all make assumptions based on the information we have. I can suspect someone of being mentally ill, or simply a manipulative con artist, but I can't exactly prove it. If I voice my suspicions, others will come to the defense. Based on the same information that I have. Different conclusions---kind of like hearing from the lord, but in a form where others can actually investigate the suspicions.

  One way or the other

  Even though you don't have the qualifications, you do this all the time.
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  EndofMysteries

  I've never had voices part. But how you described your mind going back to things you had learned before or seen, or things being drawn to. Also thoughts and understandings. All of that is how I've experienced it. How everything has been put together.

  Also that spirit being the truth and never misguiding you and trusting in it, I've had a lot of personal experience with it proving itself true as well. And also having to go on the edge and take a chance, things that seem maybe blasphemy to even entertain the idea, but if it's that and the truth.

  I think I did a post about when things first started to really happen to me, how I came upon a scripture speaking of Beth'el being uncanny, and about craving the day of the lord being a BAD thing, etc. I was being moved that things were not only wrong but I thought there is no way uncanny, as if magic/spiritism, etc. I then was lead to see everyting wrong going on, but it wasn't until a few years later that I then saw the uncanny, the history and even today what amounts to spiritism, thinking that dead anointed are communicating the truths when the scriptures prove they are still asleep, and even if not they wouldn't be the ones, etc.

  I haven't seen all your threads so unsure if I would agree with everything or not, but some of what I've seen so far I do. As for hearing things, if all of it is in harmony w/ the 'true' scriptures or adds a viewpoint. I'll be looking into your stuff and in the future.

  One thing I did like though and did make sense, was the thing on creation. Everything on earth has it's source from previous life. To give birth to a child requires the life of the parents. Plants and such require the life of previous things w/ the seeds. I always believed everything was created but that concept seemed to really make sense. Life has to come from other life, so life didn't appear out of nothing. So even though I don't understand yet about the voice aspect, I won't say it's not real. If things you are saying I know fully contrary to scriptures I'll let you know in a PM if you like.
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  EndofMysteries

  One other thing..........actually this thought just popped into my mind. It is very well you can learn and hear things, or in a sense prophesy. It's a lie that those gifts stopped. They continue until christ's returns for real. It's a part of the proof and knowing this is all true. In the early christian congregration, some could understand inspired utterance, prophesy, heal, etc. It's hard for lies to pass when everyone is in tune and checking against what is known to be true, scriptures, etc.

  ALL religions have rejected these things, they have lost these abilities. If we are waking up, and those of us waking up combine, there is no reason these abilites can't be restored. or that those on their own are having them.

  Tec I'm sending you a PM.
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  NewChapter

  There has been no prophesy. That would actually give us something to test to determine if it is true. So this is not prophesy, because none of us can look at it and test it for validity.