Am I supposed to work out the connection between the Scandanavian therapist and your deepitys all by myself?
The wonders of God's creation - Example 1, the tsetse fly
by jambon1 319 Replies latest jw friends
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sabastious
Am I supposed to work out the connection between the Scandanavian therapist and your deepitys all by myself?
I would suggest at least a panel.
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Flat_Accent
I would suggest at least a panel.
Arrogance in stupidity.
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sabastious
Arrogance in stupidity.
Is being facetious always an act of arrogance? Doesn't it depend on the context?
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cyberjesus
whats facetious?
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sabastious
whats facetious?
fa·ce·tious /f?'seSH?s/
Adjective: Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant. -Sab
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MMXIV
Not relevant but in my geography class at school a mate gave an answer about the tsetse fly and accidently called it a testie fly (the very lesson after we'd been doing sex education about male anatomy). The whole class erupted and didn't stop laughing for ages. Just thought I'd share.
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Vidqun
Here’s a few quotes from the eminent Robert Jastrow. One should keep in mind, he was agnostic, but with a open mind and very tolerant to other beliefs. His credentials are impeccable. Unfortunately he is dead, so you cannot shoot him. I like what he says, but I can see why most of you will not like what he says. The bias runs deep. What can one learn from this: Tolerance, mutual respect and an open mind go a long way:
"Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy."
"There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money. There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause, there is no First Cause. … This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized."
"Consider the enormity of the problem. Science has proved that the universe exploded into being at a certain moment. It asks: What cause produced this effect? Who or what put the matter or energy into the universe? And science cannot answer these questions, because, according to the astronomers, in the first moments of its existence the Universe was compressed to an extraordinary degree, and consumed by the heat of a fire beyond human imagination. The shock of that instant must have destroyed every particle of evidence that could have yielded a clue to the cause of the great explosion."
"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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God and the Astronomers
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The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy." - Robert Jastrow
That's stretching it a bit is it not? What "essential elements" exactly? The bible is silent on the origins of the universe except for the simplistic remark "In the beginning god created the heavens and the earth".
Any discovery of science could be interpreted as comaptible with that sort of vagueness. Why did Genesis not have something interesting to say, something that reads like it was written by the god who actually made the cosmos?
How hard would it have been for god to describe the singularity that preceded the big bang in simple terms? That would be interesting.