Is the Watchtower shy about repeating their new "generation" teaching? (page 11)

Bungi Bill

Sizemik,

A generation comprised of two groups whose lives overlap with one another, yes, but not two "overlapping generations."

We are dealing here with DJDamnFool, who has taken hold of the old principle "Baffle with Bull$#%t if you can't Blind with Science":

- then raised it to a whole new level.!

(Mind you, he ought to be good - he did after all have excellent tuition in the arts of dupicity and double talk, from no less than the good old WTS!)

Bill.

Thanks for answering point 6 as well as the PS. Is your silence on the other points an indication that you agree with them? I take that as a yes, because it is the truth and you value the truth, don't you? Again wonderful illustrations that have nothing to do with the points under discussion. It is one way of avoiding straight answers. Yes, then there is the lack of language proficiency in the congregations. What do you expect from an illiterate people that is discouraged from investing in Higher Education?

Your eloquence in the English language is cancelled out by your obnoxious personality. Is that why you hang out with a bunch of apostates, because your brothers and sisters avoid you? Well, in that case I am sorry for you. Unfortunately you will find that this place is not conducive for cultivating the fruits of the spirit. In case you have wondered about them, these can be found at Galatians 5:22, 23. You certainly need a refresher course in them.

smiddy

Did anybody pickup,

That djeggnogg VALIDATED my point that the bible `s definition of a generation is approximately 50 years long ? Borne out in a couple of scriptures one of which he uses to refute my argument ,but turns out to verify it ?

smiddy : Matt. 1: 17" Their were 14 generations from Abraham until David then another 14 generations until the deportation to babylon then another,fourteen generations until the Christ"

A total of 42 generations. The birth of Abraham 2018

The birth of Christ 2 BC

A span of 2016 years : 2016 divided by 42 = 48 years = ( 1 generation )

djeggnog`s response : He quotes Luke 3 : 23-28 which he says indicates their are 76 generations from Adams creation to Jesus birth,which when these 4024 years are divided by 76 generations averages out at 53 years per generation.

He then tries to obscure the point with smoke and mirror tactics.

By claiming the lives of some of these earlier individuals far exceeded the lives of the later ones . ???( Didn`t he berate someone for confusing a generation with how long someone lived ?)

I ask you...... whats that got to do with anything.??? The fact remains according to his argument a generation using Luke 3 : 23-28 is no more than 53 years.....A ball park figure that I and some other posters agree with,as well as dictionarys ,lexicons ,and especially Jesus, whose first fullfillment of his prophecy fell within that guideline.

smiddy

iCeltic

Excellent point smiddy. Sadly eggnogg is no different from many other deluded JWs, I know many witnesses and some I miss dearly and I also know many who are equally condescending and hateful as eggnogg.

djeggnog

@Vidqun:

Thanks for answering point 6 as well as the PS. Is your silence on the other points an indication that you agree with them?

I'm done discussing those things with you. To repeat what it was I said to @iCeltic, you are like many people that "have the ability to read the words on the page, but they come away without comprehending what those words they read mean in the context in which they were written (or used)." I told you in a previous message that there is a difference between the definition of a word and the interpretation of a word, and yet you still don't seem to realize this, so I could write something like, "As far as can tell from the things you have written, you and @sizemik are joined at the hip," and you would understand me to have written that "You and @sizemik are gay lovers."

You and I are unable to communicate because you don't know enough about the English language to communicate more than simple ideas. It is what you said in your first point after you had read my response to @Black Sheep that more than convinces me that you don't understand some of the things you read in this thread:

@Black Sheep:

Describing the WT's new attempt at redeeming their generation doctrine as 'overlapping generations' is very appropriate as their new [definition] of "this generation" includes people who cannot be described as the same generation "...whose lives overlap during a particular time period..." Spin it any way you like, these people are different generations. You're not fooling anybody.

(@djeggnog:)
Our new interpretation of Matthew 24:34 isn't about overlapping generations, but is about contemporaries of a particular event, and the event began with the composite sign of Christ's presence in 1914. We now understand that this event -- the composite sign -- marks the beginning of the "generation" to which Jesus refers at Matthew 24:34, so we no longer apply Jesus' use of generation to people, since these would be contemporaries of one another during the "generation of the sign." The lives of some of the older ones during this generation of the sign would overlap the lives of some of the younger ones during this generation of the sign. Again, there aren't really two groups, the "older" group and the "younger" group, but here's another hypothetical:
Imagine a three-day convention and I have two parts to give on Days 1 and 2 at the Dallas Convention and two parts to give elsewhere on Day 3. You have two parts to give elsewhere on Day 1 and two parts to give on Days 2 and 3 at the Dallas Convention. You and I are contemporaries at the Dallas Convention on Day 2 even though I was there when it began on Day 1 and you were there when it ended on Day 3. The Dallas Convention represents "the generation of the sign," so that while I was there when it began, you were there when it ended and our lives overlapped at the Convention on Day 2, making the two of us contemporaries there.
This illustrates how Jehovah's Witnesses now understand Jesus' use of the word "generation" at Matthew 24:34, for as we discerned from how the word "generation" is used at Exodus 1:6 that Joseph's generation included those whose lives overlapped with his life. Joseph's older siblings were there when Joseph's life began and Joseph's younger brother, Benjamin, who was six years younger than Joseph, as well as his sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, were there when Joseph's life ended, who might have outlived their oldest uncles, Reuben and Simeon (Reuben was seven years older than Joseph). All of these were contemporaries of Joseph's generation.

After reading the above, this is what did you wrote:

Pity a convention is three to five days long, not exactly what we are discussing here, is it?

I'm sorry, but trying to communicate with you is as if I were trying to have a conversation with a 14-year-old kid. Of course, I'm exaggerating a bit here, but it's just that I don't believe you know that you have a problem. I have no intention of responding to your first five points,.

I take that as a yes, because it is the truth and you value the truth, don't you?

Go ahead and take my non-responses to your first five points as a "yes." That's fine.

Your eloquence in the English language is cancelled out by your obnoxious personality.

Hey, thanks. That's a rare compliment, but I'll take it.

Is that why you hang out with a bunch of apostates, because your brothers and sisters avoid you?

Yes, that's right. Tell me: How did you know?

Well, in that case I am sorry for you. Unfortunately you will find that this place is not conducive for cultivating the fruits of the spirit. In case you have wondered about them, these can be found at Galatians 5:22, 23. You certainly need a refresher course in them.

Please don't feel sorry for me. It's not necessary. Just feel sorry for yourself and only yourself, ok?

@sizemik:

Eggy (like WTS) cannot support the doctrine with logic or scripture . . . so falls back behind the protective veil of semantics (surprised?).

But I did provide scripturally support, or does Exodus 1:6 not constitute a scripture and does not Post #580 (on Page 2 of this thread) not constitute logic? Follow the link in that post to my Post #553 and stop posturing, young man. You're old enough to know when your hand is weak, but old enough to know that you cannot win with a losing hand, so what is the point? I believe I covered all of the arguments that your "homies" posited here and they were all losers, so like the kids say, "What's up?"

By substituting the word "group" for the overlapping "generations", they can have as many "groups" as they desire within a "generation" of indeterminable (perhaps infinite) length.

It's funny that in Post #590, I respond to a similar question put to me by @iCeltic:

(@iCeltic:)

And that you believe the new teaching on generation involving two groups of overlapping generations?

(@djeggnog:)
No, you may not assume that I believe in any "new teaching" that suggests that there are "two groups of overlapping generations." Hypothetically, what has been described as two groups aren't really two groups at all, for no matter when it was that someone of the anointed becomes a contemporary of the generation of the composite sign of Christ's presence that began in 1914 -- whether it was in 1914, or in 1916, or in 1942, or in 1977, or in 1992, or in 2012 -- they do not all of them belong to a single generation, meaning that there are no "overlapping generations," but what is true is that all of the anointed are contemporaries of the generation of the sign that began in 1914.

You appear to be a bit smarter than I had at first thought you to be. Very good, young man, but tell me this: Why didn't you read Post #590 on the same Page 5 where you posted your Post #5147 before you posted this in the first place? You didn't really think you could possibly get any traction with this statement by essentially repeating what it was I had just written, did you?

It's you who doesn't respond to anybody who catches you in your lies . . . and you contradict yourself constantly (go on - ask me for examples). You run away with your tail between your legs and only return weeks later in the hope of a new audience.

I have a life, so if I am here today and gone tomorrow, that would be my prerogative, wouldn't it? There are people that come to JWN and after three weeks or so, there are no new messages being posted by that person. If this is a problem for you, then you don't have a life like mine. I don't need permission from you to leave and I don't need your permission to return. I'm sure you knew this already, but I'm more interested in these lies in which I've been caught. What lies, @sizemik?

In your very next post to this thread, I would ask you to list my lies -- no, not "lies" -- I want you to just name one of my so-called lies, @sizemik, ok? Just one. I'm looking forward to reading all about it.

You're still a cowering puppy.

I am a puppy, but since you're name-calling here, I've been meaning to tell you that I don't see any reason why you have to be a jerk, so why do you behave this way toward me? I mean, if you know, I'd be interesting in knowing how you would answer to this question. Thanks.

@djeggnog

iCeltic

Djeggnog - when watchtower changes a doctrine, you believe it, when watchtower demands that you live a certain way, you do it. When watchtower instructs you not to post on sites such as this you, what, ignore it?

cantleave

Eggnog- In fact, in a recent letter to the body of elders here in the US to which someone had the audacity to provide a link here on JWN, it states that "[a]ll must weigh carefully the disadvantages and any perceived advantages of pursuing higher education before determining what they will do."

Well you should not be reading it since there is no way you are an elder. If you are, what the hell are you doing on this site? Just piss off back to your world of mythology you stupid little man.

Vanderhoven7

If "they" can have two in one, "we" have three in One? ;o)

Is the Watchtower shy about repeating their new "generation" teaching?

iCeltic

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Vidqun

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